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After more than 40 years working in theater, including decades at </span><a href="https://lajollaplayhouse.org/who-we-are/the-team/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">La Jolla Playhouse</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, the longstanding prop supervisor has helped shape more than 100 productions, from early-stage premieres to Broadway hits like "Jersey Boys" and "The Outsiders."</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">In this episode, we go behind the scenes to see how props do far more than fill space. They establish time and place, define character and keep performances running smoothly — often in ways audiences never notice. From sourcing everyday items to building custom pieces from scratch, Deb walks us through the hidden decisions that make a production feel real, and the problem-solving required when things go wrong on stage. Along the way, we explore a world most audiences never see, where even the smallest details can leave a lasting impression.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">As Deb prepares to retire, she reflects on a career built on detail, collaboration and the thrill of figuring things out. Because in live theater, every object matters.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guest:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE1mf1d3aVg" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Deb Hatch</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, prop supervisor at La Jolla Playhouse</span></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260408183915-THEFINESTS2E10PROPMASTER4-8BMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="36883614"/><guid isPermaLink="false">eb2f0d40-33b4-11f1-a775-2d747b18496d</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">What is a prop?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">For </span><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Deb Hatch</strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, it's almost everything. After more than 40 years working in theater, including decades at </span><a href="https://lajollaplayhouse.org/who-we-are/the-team/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">La Jolla Playhouse</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, the longstanding prop supervisor has helped shape more than 100 productions, from early-stage premieres to Broadway hits like "Jersey Boys" and "The Outsiders."</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">In this episode, we go behind the scenes to see how props do far more than fill space. They establish time and place, define character and keep performances running smoothly — often in ways audiences never notice. From sourcing everyday items to building custom pieces from scratch, Deb walks us through the hidden decisions that make a production feel real, and the problem-solving required when things go wrong on stage. Along the way, we explore a world most audiences never see, where even the smallest details can leave a lasting impression.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">As Deb prepares to retire, she reflects on a career built on detail, collaboration and the thrill of figuring things out. Because in live theater, every object matters.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guest:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE1mf1d3aVg" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Deb Hatch</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, prop supervisor at La Jolla Playhouse</span></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260408183626-props_debhatch.png"/><itunes:duration>00:25:36</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260408183626-props_debhatch.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Dance or die — and the fight to be more than a headline</title><description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.ahmadjoudeh.com/about" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> risked his life to dance, performing in a refugee camp while ISIS fighters targeted him. The act of defiance, captured on video, made him known worldwide. But fame came with a cost. He became a symbol he never wanted to be. In this episode, Ahmad tells the full story in his own words, from growing up stateless in Syria and navigating the complexities of identity to starting the camp's first dance studio, training with the Dutch National Ballet and taking control of his life amid media pressure. Now living in San Diego, Ahmad continues to perform, teach and create, building a career that reflects his heritage, artistic vision and personal freedom. He reflects on survival, resilience and what it means to dedicate your life to art, and to dance as a way of truly living.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guest:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahmadjoudehofficial/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, dancer</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Watch Ahmad Joudeh's performances:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPfKRziGAo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh dances at the Yarmouk camp</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://dutch-core.com/programmes/documentary/dance-or-die" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Dance or Die"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2018) documentary directed by Roozbeh Kaboly</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/9pmPlmzXz7U?si=djbH2b-mpll1HK6c" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh performs at the Eurovision Song Contest</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@broadwaycares/video/7259724024714988846" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh performs at the Fire Island Dance Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1NZ8lAt3oQ" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"The Dancer"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025) documentary directed by Lacey Uhlemeyer</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DStF07HksCa/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh and Celyna Tran perform parts of the Nutcracker Arabian Dance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVBhuF8iAZp/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh performs an experimental dance improvisation of Sufi dance to Boléro de Ravel</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2026)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/middleeast/syria-yarmouk-isis-shubert" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'The deepest circle of hell:' Terrified Yarmouk residents describe ISIS raid</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Atika Shubert, Bharati Naik and Nick Thompson, CNN, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/arts/dance/syrian-dancer-ahmad-joudeh-amsterdam-dutch-national-ballet.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syrian Dancer Flying, Looking for Freedom (Landing in Amsterdam)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Nina Siegal, The New York Times, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.unrwa.org/where-we-work/syria/yarmouk-unofficial-camp" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Yarmouk (unofficial camp*)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United Nations Relief and Works Agency - UNRWA)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.unrwa.org/where-we-work/syria/sbeineh-camp" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Sbeineh Camp</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United Nations Relief and Works Agency - UNRWA)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/palestinian-refugees-dispossession" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Generations of Palestinian Refugees Face Protracted Displacement and Dispossession</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Nathan Citino, Ana Martín Gil and Kelsey P. Norman, Migration Policy Institute, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.statelesshub.org/country/syria" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syria</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Stateless Hub, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/17/what-is-the-arab-spring-and-how-did-it-start" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What is the Arab Spring, and how did it start?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Al Jazeera, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Syrian-Civil-War" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syrian Civil War</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Britannica, 2026)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/syria-ten-years-of-war" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syria's war: Ten years – and counting</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alia Chughtai, Al Jazeera, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.operaballet.nl/en/ballet/dutch-national-ballet" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Dutch National Ballet</a></li><li><a href="https://www.weforum.org/people/ahmad-joudeh/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">World Economic Forum - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Gov. Gavin Newsom</span></li><li><a href="https://missoulian.com/entertainment/arts-and-theatre/ballet-beyond-borders-dance-and-diplomacy-go-online/article_30c59679-82d6-59b3-9e78-2040db2b93de.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ballet Beyond Borders: Dance and diplomacy go online</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cory Walsh, The Missoulian, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/our-partners/prominent-supporters/high-profile-supporters/ahmad-joudeh" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><a href="https://pride.amsterdam/en/ambassadors/ahmad-joudeh-hij-hem/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Pride Amsterdam - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><a href="https://thewhatdancecandoproject.com/2019/02/04/ahmad-joudeh/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What Dance Can Do - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/middleeast/syria-assad-rebels-explainer-intl-hnk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">After decades of brutal rule, Bashar al-Assad’s regime has been toppled. Here’s what you need to know</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rob Picheta and Helen Regan, CNN, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://saydnaya.amnesty.org/en/saydnaya.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">About Saydnaya</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Amnesty International)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.goldenstateballet.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Golden State Ballet</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260401142341-TheFinestS2E9BalletFINALMIX-MASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="47412980"/><guid isPermaLink="false">0e7a1610-2e11-11f1-a1b2-f31131511c9d</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.ahmadjoudeh.com/about" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> risked his life to dance, performing in a refugee camp while ISIS fighters targeted him. The act of defiance, captured on video, made him known worldwide. But fame came with a cost. He became a symbol he never wanted to be. In this episode, Ahmad tells the full story in his own words, from growing up stateless in Syria and navigating the complexities of identity to starting the camp's first dance studio, training with the Dutch National Ballet and taking control of his life amid media pressure. Now living in San Diego, Ahmad continues to perform, teach and create, building a career that reflects his heritage, artistic vision and personal freedom. He reflects on survival, resilience and what it means to dedicate your life to art, and to dance as a way of truly living.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guest:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahmadjoudehofficial/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, dancer</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Watch Ahmad Joudeh's performances:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPfKRziGAo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh dances at the Yarmouk camp</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://dutch-core.com/programmes/documentary/dance-or-die" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Dance or Die"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2018) documentary directed by Roozbeh Kaboly</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/9pmPlmzXz7U?si=djbH2b-mpll1HK6c" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh performs at the Eurovision Song Contest</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@broadwaycares/video/7259724024714988846" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh performs at the Fire Island Dance Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1NZ8lAt3oQ" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"The Dancer"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025) documentary directed by Lacey Uhlemeyer</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DStF07HksCa/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh and Celyna Tran perform parts of the Nutcracker Arabian Dance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVBhuF8iAZp/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ahmad Joudeh performs an experimental dance improvisation of Sufi dance to Boléro de Ravel</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2026)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/middleeast/syria-yarmouk-isis-shubert" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'The deepest circle of hell:' Terrified Yarmouk residents describe ISIS raid</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Atika Shubert, Bharati Naik and Nick Thompson, CNN, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/arts/dance/syrian-dancer-ahmad-joudeh-amsterdam-dutch-national-ballet.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syrian Dancer Flying, Looking for Freedom (Landing in Amsterdam)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Nina Siegal, The New York Times, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.unrwa.org/where-we-work/syria/yarmouk-unofficial-camp" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Yarmouk (unofficial camp*)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United Nations Relief and Works Agency - UNRWA)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.unrwa.org/where-we-work/syria/sbeineh-camp" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Sbeineh Camp</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United Nations Relief and Works Agency - UNRWA)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/palestinian-refugees-dispossession" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Generations of Palestinian Refugees Face Protracted Displacement and Dispossession</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Nathan Citino, Ana Martín Gil and Kelsey P. Norman, Migration Policy Institute, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.statelesshub.org/country/syria" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syria</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Stateless Hub, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/17/what-is-the-arab-spring-and-how-did-it-start" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What is the Arab Spring, and how did it start?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Al Jazeera, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Syrian-Civil-War" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syrian Civil War</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Britannica, 2026)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/syria-ten-years-of-war" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Syria's war: Ten years – and counting</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alia Chughtai, Al Jazeera, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.operaballet.nl/en/ballet/dutch-national-ballet" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Dutch National Ballet</a></li><li><a href="https://www.weforum.org/people/ahmad-joudeh/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">World Economic Forum - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Gov. Gavin Newsom</span></li><li><a href="https://missoulian.com/entertainment/arts-and-theatre/ballet-beyond-borders-dance-and-diplomacy-go-online/article_30c59679-82d6-59b3-9e78-2040db2b93de.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ballet Beyond Borders: Dance and diplomacy go online</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cory Walsh, The Missoulian, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/our-partners/prominent-supporters/high-profile-supporters/ahmad-joudeh" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><a href="https://pride.amsterdam/en/ambassadors/ahmad-joudeh-hij-hem/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Pride Amsterdam - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><a href="https://thewhatdancecandoproject.com/2019/02/04/ahmad-joudeh/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What Dance Can Do - Ahmad Joudeh</a></li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/middleeast/syria-assad-rebels-explainer-intl-hnk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">After decades of brutal rule, Bashar al-Assad’s regime has been toppled. Here’s what you need to know</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rob Picheta and Helen Regan, CNN, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://saydnaya.amnesty.org/en/saydnaya.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">About Saydnaya</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Amnesty International)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.goldenstateballet.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Golden State Ballet</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://cms.kpbs.org/cms/content/edit.jsp?typeId=b8089fbc-e097-3d30-b014-97a1ffc56056&amp;id=0000019d-2c34-d7df-adff-bdf732370000</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260402073956-ahmadjoudeh_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:32:55</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260402073956-ahmadjoudeh_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Scientists are still mapping plants. How the public is helping — with an app</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">What's growing in your backyard?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">In San Diego, one of America's most biodiverse regions, the answer is more complicated than you might think. It's home to roughly 3,000 plant species, with many still undocumented.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">This episode follows hikers, students and nature lovers using the free app </span><a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">iNaturalist</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> to photograph plants and animals, contribute to a global biodiversity database and help scientists protect fragile ecosystems. Some discoveries are extraordinary, like seeing your name on a scientific paper after spotting a plant never recorded in the county before.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">We visit the </span><a href="https://www.sdnat.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">San Diego Natural History Museum</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">, head into a rare salt marsh along Mission Bay and join a community identification party to see how this grassroots effort is reshaping science in real time.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Researchers and volunteers say this kind of "citizen science" is no longer a side project — it's essential. Because when it comes to protecting ecosystems, the first step is simple: knowing what's there.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sdnhm.org/science/botany/staff/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;"> Jon Rebman, Ph.D.</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, curator of botany at SDNHM</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Becky Escalante, citizen scientist </span><a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/people/528056" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">spifferella</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> on iNaturalist, dental assistant</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Stephanie Crawford, citizen scientist </span><a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/people/775118" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">aneclecticenthusiast</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> on iNaturalist</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Kellie Uyeda, executive director of </span><a href="https://nrs.ucsd.edu/index.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">UC San Diego's Natural Reserve System</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Clarissa Rodriguez, reserves director of UC San Diego's Natural Reserve System</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260319132026-TheFinestS2E8iNatMasterV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="45798977"/><guid isPermaLink="false">10d667c0-23d1-11f1-a45d-252d4fcf8b3b</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">What's growing in your backyard?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">In San Diego, one of America's most biodiverse regions, the answer is more complicated than you might think. It's home to roughly 3,000 plant species, with many still undocumented.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">This episode follows hikers, students and nature lovers using the free app </span><a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">iNaturalist</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> to photograph plants and animals, contribute to a global biodiversity database and help scientists protect fragile ecosystems. Some discoveries are extraordinary, like seeing your name on a scientific paper after spotting a plant never recorded in the county before.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">We visit the </span><a href="https://www.sdnat.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">San Diego Natural History Museum</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">, head into a rare salt marsh along Mission Bay and join a community identification party to see how this grassroots effort is reshaping science in real time.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Researchers and volunteers say this kind of "citizen science" is no longer a side project — it's essential. Because when it comes to protecting ecosystems, the first step is simple: knowing what's there. </span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sdnhm.org/science/botany/staff/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;"> Jon Rebman, Ph.D.</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, curator of botany at SDNHM</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Becky Escalante, citizen scientist </span><a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/people/528056" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">spifferella</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> on iNaturalist, dental assistant</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Stephanie Crawford, citizen scientist </span><a href="https://www.inaturalist.org/people/775118" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">aneclecticenthusiast</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> on iNaturalist</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Kellie Uyeda, executive director of </span><a href="https://nrs.ucsd.edu/index.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">UC San Diego's Natural Reserve System</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Clarissa Rodriguez, reserves director of UC San Diego's Natural Reserve System</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260319131658-inat_artcover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:31:48</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260319131658-inat_artcover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2026 13:22:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>The matcha boom: How a centuries-old tradition became a global craze</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Matcha has become a worldwide sensation. The bright green powdered tea now appears in lattes, smoothies, desserts and viral foods across social media feeds. Demand has surged so quickly that producers in Japan are struggling to keep up. But matcha's story didn't begin in a cafe. For centuries, the tea has been at the center of a carefully choreographed ritual known as the tea ceremony, a practice rooted in mindfulness, hospitality and attention to detail. In this episode, we explore how a drink with roots in centuries-old tea culture became a modern craze. Along the way, we meet a San Diego tea sensei who practices the ceremony and invites others to slow down long enough to experience matcha with care and intention. As matcha's popularity continues to grow, we ask a simple question: What gets lost — and what might be gained — when an old tradition becomes a global trend?</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://wabichaclass.com/about-us/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Rie Morita</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Japanese tea ceremony instructor</span></li><li><a href="https://libraries.usc.edu/person/rebecca-corbett" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Rebecca Corbett</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Japanese Studies Librarian and Senior Lecturer in History, University of Southern California</span></li><li><a href="https://history.wfu.edu/people/hellyer/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Robert Hellyer</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, historian and author of </span><a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/book/green-with-milk-and-sugar/9780231216678/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Green with Milk and Sugar"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://mai-ko.com/travel/culture-in-japan/tea-ceremony/the-japanese-tea-ceremony-explained/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Japanese Tea Ceremony Explained</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Adam Sensei, Phd., Maikoya)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2025/11/matcha-shortage-food-trend/684934/?gift=8HOUWDv2UjW5y-_1YmO23NGJXra7OisyJSNm4Yr2sMQ" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Matcha Problem</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ellen Cushing, The Atlantic, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/14/dining/matcha.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shortages, Smoothies and Fraud: The Matcha Market Cracks Under Pressure</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Pete Wells, The New York Times, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://apnews.com/article/matcha-japan-china-prices-shortages-tea-ca3b9ab64eb6f03b44b2d62ca33a6516" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">How much for matcha? Prices for the popular powdered tea soar due to global demand</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Dee-Ann Durbin, Associated Press, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/food/2025/apr/05/skyrocketing-demand-for-matcha-raises-fears-of-shortage-in-japan#:~:text=A%20global%20boom%20in%20matcha%2C%20the%20powdered,to%20impose%20purchase%20limits%20on%20the%20powder." target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Skyrocketing' demand for matcha raises fears of shortage in Japan</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Justin McCurry, The Guardian, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/matchas-popularity-has-skyrocketed-but-it-was-initially-met-with-skepticism-in-the-west" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Matcha's popularity has skyrocketed, but it was initially met with skepticism in the West </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Rebecca Corbett, PBS News, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">PARU Tea: How the viral matcha spot is transforming tea culture with love and purpose</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260311171757-S2E7MATCHAMIXMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="40879988"/><guid isPermaLink="false">ec00e740-1da8-11f1-b4b5-650179b2abcd</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Matcha has become a worldwide sensation. The bright green powdered tea now appears in lattes, smoothies, desserts and viral foods across social media feeds. Demand has surged so quickly that producers in Japan are struggling to keep up. But matcha's story didn't begin in a cafe. For centuries, the tea has been at the center of a carefully choreographed ritual known as the tea ceremony, a practice rooted in mindfulness, hospitality and attention to detail. In this episode, we explore how a drink with roots in centuries-old tea culture became a modern craze. Along the way, we meet a San Diego tea sensei who practices the ceremony and invites others to slow down long enough to experience matcha with care and intention. As matcha's popularity continues to grow, we ask a simple question: What gets lost — and what might be gained — when an old tradition becomes a global trend?</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://wabichaclass.com/about-us/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Rie Morita</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Japanese tea ceremony instructor</span></li><li><a href="https://libraries.usc.edu/person/rebecca-corbett" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Rebecca Corbett</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Japanese Studies Librarian and Senior Lecturer in History, University of Southern California</span></li><li><a href="https://history.wfu.edu/people/hellyer/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Robert Hellyer</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, historian and author of </span><a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/book/green-with-milk-and-sugar/9780231216678/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Green with Milk and Sugar"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://mai-ko.com/travel/culture-in-japan/tea-ceremony/the-japanese-tea-ceremony-explained/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Japanese Tea Ceremony Explained</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Adam Sensei, Phd., Maikoya)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2025/11/matcha-shortage-food-trend/684934/?gift=8HOUWDv2UjW5y-_1YmO23NGJXra7OisyJSNm4Yr2sMQ" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Matcha Problem</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ellen Cushing, The Atlantic, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/14/dining/matcha.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shortages, Smoothies and Fraud: The Matcha Market Cracks Under Pressure</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Pete Wells, The New York Times, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://apnews.com/article/matcha-japan-china-prices-shortages-tea-ca3b9ab64eb6f03b44b2d62ca33a6516" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">How much for matcha? Prices for the popular powdered tea soar due to global demand</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Dee-Ann Durbin, Associated Press, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/food/2025/apr/05/skyrocketing-demand-for-matcha-raises-fears-of-shortage-in-japan#:~:text=A%20global%20boom%20in%20matcha%2C%20the%20powdered,to%20impose%20purchase%20limits%20on%20the%20powder." target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Skyrocketing' demand for matcha raises fears of shortage in Japan</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Justin McCurry, The Guardian, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/matchas-popularity-has-skyrocketed-but-it-was-initially-met-with-skepticism-in-the-west" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Matcha's popularity has skyrocketed, but it was initially met with skepticism in the West </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Rebecca Corbett, PBS News, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">PARU Tea: How the viral matcha spot is transforming tea culture with love and purpose</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260311171807_407406-matcha_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:28:23</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260311171807_407406-matcha_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Unboxing hidden music history: Lou Curtiss' Whimsical Collection and vinyl's survival</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Lou Curtiss dedicated his life to preserving forgotten music — and now his extraordinary personal collection is being shared with the community he nurtured for decades. At </span><a href="https://www.folkartsrarerecords.com/about/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Folk Arts Rare Records</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, thousands of vinyl records, CDs, tapes and rare recordings are being unboxed, cataloged and placed on shelves for music lovers to explore and purchase. In this episode, we meet Brendan Boyle, who began shopping at Folk Arts as a teenager and now owns and runs the store. We dive into Lou's legacy, including his role in founding the San Diego Folk Festival, supporting local artists like Thomas Shaw and preserving recordings that might otherwise have vanished. Along the way, we explore how vinyl survived the '90s and 2000s and why physical media still matters in an age of streaming and digital fatigue. From obscure blues and folk records to legendary mixtapes, Lou's Whimsical Collection lives on, offering a tactile, personal and deeply human connection to the music that shapes culture.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Brendan Boyle, Folk Arts Rare Records owner</span></li><li><a href="https://www.andrewmallphd.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Andrew Mall</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Associate Professor of Music at Northeastern University in Boston, Mass.</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Music heard in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1A4ksNmgYM&amp;list=PLpnG2psBH4QvkHVbPZtOKdijUkld2dcur" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Rock My Baby Back Home" by Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1972)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoAkskaXUSg&amp;list=PLpnG2psBH4QvkHVbPZtOKdijUkld2dcur&amp;index=10" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Broke and Ain't Got a Dime" by Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1972)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoAkskaXUSg&amp;list=PLpnG2psBH4QvkHVbPZtOKdijUkld2dcur&amp;index=10" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Martin Luther King" by Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1972)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7NyhEIWaL8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Portuguese String Music</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1908-1931)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcUXUvbrQw" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"George Collins" by Kathy &amp; Carol</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1965)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zibMqytcUBA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Sprig of Thyme" by Kathy &amp; Carol</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1965)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS5XoZxj3nE" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Atomic Cocktail" by Slim Gaillard</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1945)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKqcyYQ7AF0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Frank Rhoads Round" by Slim Gaillard</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1962)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfyUFoucsiU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Pick Poor Robin Clean" by Geeshie Wiley &amp; Elvie Thomas</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1931)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoYJh6ZRj8o" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Set Your Chickens Free" by The Hub City Movers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1969)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGxHflevuk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Sinners"</a></li><li><a href="https://onthejunglefloor.com/blogs/magazine/why-high-fidelity-is-a-must-watch-for-vinyl-enthusiasts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"High Fidelity"</a></li><li><a href="https://www.parttimeloverhifi.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Part Time Lover</a></li><li><a href="https://www.document-records.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Document Records</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:&nbsp;</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sandiegotroubadour.com/thomas-shaw/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lou Curtiss, San Diego Troubadour, 2013)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/material-drives-on-the-world-war-ii-home-front.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Material Drives on the World War II Home Front</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://norfolkrecordofficeblog.org/2020/10/10/story-of-sound-part-3-shellac-to-vinyl-how-world-war-two-changed-the-record/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shellac to vinyl, how World War Two changed the record</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Norfolk Record Office, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://thedocumentrecordsstore.com/sinners-pick-poor-robin-clean-a-song-a-story-and-a-mystery-of-meaning/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">How a 1927 Blues recording found its way into a 21st-century vampire film — and sparked a historical detective story</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Document Records, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2026/01/08/folk-arts-rare-records-lou-curtiss-vinyl-collection" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Folk Arts Rare Records brings Lou Curtiss' music collection to the people</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2026)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260304165951-S2E6FolkArtsMasterV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="33149492"/><guid isPermaLink="false">9d42ba30-182e-11f1-b481-5dc53a57c727</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Lou Curtiss dedicated his life to preserving forgotten music — and now his extraordinary personal collection is being shared with the community he nurtured for decades. At </span><a href="https://www.folkartsrarerecords.com/about/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Folk Arts Rare Records</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, thousands of vinyl records, CDs, tapes and rare recordings are being unboxed, cataloged and placed on shelves for music lovers to explore and purchase. In this episode, we meet Brendan Boyle, who began shopping at Folk Arts as a teenager and now owns and runs the store. We dive into Lou's legacy, including his role in founding the San Diego Folk Festival, supporting local artists like Thomas Shaw and preserving recordings that might otherwise have vanished. Along the way, we explore how vinyl survived the '90s and 2000s and why physical media still matters in an age of streaming and digital fatigue. From obscure blues and folk records to legendary mixtapes, Lou's Whimsical Collection lives on, offering a tactile, personal and deeply human connection to the music that shapes culture. </span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Brendan Boyle, Folk Arts Rare Records owner</span></li><li><a href="https://www.andrewmallphd.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Andrew Mall</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Associate Professor of Music at Northeastern University in Boston, Mass.</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Music heard in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1A4ksNmgYM&amp;list=PLpnG2psBH4QvkHVbPZtOKdijUkld2dcur" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Rock My Baby Back Home" by Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1972)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoAkskaXUSg&amp;list=PLpnG2psBH4QvkHVbPZtOKdijUkld2dcur&amp;index=10" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Broke and Ain't Got a Dime" by Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1972)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoAkskaXUSg&amp;list=PLpnG2psBH4QvkHVbPZtOKdijUkld2dcur&amp;index=10" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Martin Luther King" by Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1972)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7NyhEIWaL8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Portuguese String Music</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1908-1931) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcUXUvbrQw" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"George Collins" by Kathy &amp; Carol</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1965)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zibMqytcUBA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Sprig of Thyme" by Kathy &amp; Carol</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1965)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS5XoZxj3nE" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Atomic Cocktail" by Slim Gaillard</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1945)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKqcyYQ7AF0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Frank Rhoads Round" by Slim Gaillard</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1962)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfyUFoucsiU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Pick Poor Robin Clean" by Geeshie Wiley &amp; Elvie Thomas</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1931)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoYJh6ZRj8o" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Set Your Chickens Free" by The Hub City Movers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1969)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGxHflevuk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Sinners"</a></li><li><a href="https://onthejunglefloor.com/blogs/magazine/why-high-fidelity-is-a-must-watch-for-vinyl-enthusiasts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"High Fidelity"</a></li><li><a href="https://www.parttimeloverhifi.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Part Time Lover</a></li><li><a href="https://www.document-records.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Document Records</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources: </strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sandiegotroubadour.com/thomas-shaw/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Thomas Shaw</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lou Curtiss, San Diego Troubadour, 2013) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/material-drives-on-the-world-war-ii-home-front.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Material Drives on the World War II Home Front</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://norfolkrecordofficeblog.org/2020/10/10/story-of-sound-part-3-shellac-to-vinyl-how-world-war-two-changed-the-record/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shellac to vinyl, how World War Two changed the record</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Norfolk Record Office, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://thedocumentrecordsstore.com/sinners-pick-poor-robin-clean-a-song-a-story-and-a-mystery-of-meaning/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">How a 1927 Blues recording found its way into a 21st-century vampire film — and sparked a historical detective story</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Document Records, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2026/01/08/folk-arts-rare-records-lou-curtiss-vinyl-collection" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Folk Arts Rare Records brings Lou Curtiss' music collection to the people</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2026)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260304165957-folkarts_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:23:01</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260304165957-folkarts_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>Bonus: One of Their Own, a San Diego officer's death and the questions left behind</title><description><![CDATA[<p>Content note: This episode contains discussion of suicide and domestic abuse. If you or someone you know needs support, call or text 988 for the Suicide &amp; Crisis Lifeline.</p><p><br></p><p>This episode is a special feed share from One of Their Own, a KPBS true crime podcast created and hosted by KPBS racial justice and social equity reporter Katie Hyson. In 2018, 25-year-old San Diego police officer Ciara Estrada was found dead in her apartment on New Year's Day. Her death was ruled a suicide by the San Diego Police Department — the same department she worked for. But nearly eight years later, her family still questions whether the investigation went far enough. In this first episode, you'll meet Ciara through the people who loved her most. From a viral video that once labeled her a "nice cop" to the deeply personal artifacts she left behind, the series begins by asking a simple but powerful question: Who was Ciara Estrada beyond the case file? The podcast explores police culture, domestic violence allegations within law enforcement and what happens when a department investigates one of its own. After listening, find the rest of One of Their Own wherever you get your podcasts.</p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260225145418-TheFinestFeedShareOOTO1-29-26MASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="37656213"/><guid isPermaLink="false">ea8062d0-129c-11f1-9c3e-efc2c8040891</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Content note: This episode contains discussion of suicide and domestic abuse. If you or someone you know needs support, call or text 988 for the Suicide &amp; Crisis Lifeline.</p><p><br></p><p>This episode is a special feed share from One of Their Own, a KPBS true crime podcast created and hosted by KPBS racial justice and social equity reporter Katie Hyson. In 2018, 25-year-old San Diego police officer Ciara Estrada was found dead in her apartment on New Year's Day. Her death was ruled a suicide by the San Diego Police Department — the same department she worked for. But nearly eight years later, her family still questions whether the investigation went far enough. In this first episode, you'll meet Ciara through the people who loved her most. From a viral video that once labeled her a "nice cop" to the deeply personal artifacts she left behind, the series begins by asking a simple but powerful question: Who was Ciara Estrada beyond the case file? The podcast explores police culture, domestic violence allegations within law enforcement and what happens when a department investigates one of its own. After listening, find the rest of One of Their Own wherever you get your podcasts.</p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260225145302-ooto_finest_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:26:09</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260225145302-ooto_finest_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>Topeka Clementine performs live at KPBS and talks cooking, art, viral moments and music as action</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">San Diego's </span><a href="https://topekaclementine.bandcamp.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Topeka Clementine</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> brought the KPBS patio to life with a performance as part of the Sundrenched Sounds live music series — spontaneous, communal and emotionally charged. Blending sharp storytelling with sing-along moments and unexpected humor, the set moved seamlessly between intimate confession and collective call to action. We sat down afterward with Kai Simovich, the musician behind Topeka Clementine, to talk about the project's remarkable output and what it really means to go viral. Named after a street corner in Oceanside tied to grassroots mutual aid, Topeka Clementine channels community care directly into the music. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Kai shares how recent personal loss reshaped their songwriting, including the creation of "Feed the Trees," a meditation on grief, inheritance and how life carries forward. Through relentless creativity, collective energy and performance, Topeka Clementine's music insists on hope, even in heavy times.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guest:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Kai Simovich, </span><a href="https://kaizen.place/b/topekaclementine" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Topeka Clementine</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/articles/estonia-singing-revolution" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Estonia's Singing Revolution</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rick Steves)&nbsp;</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Amass&nbsp; | </span><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/dining/amass-restaurant-copenhagen-matt-orlando.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Matt Orlando Brings California Sun to Copenhagen</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Florence Fabricant, New York Times, 2017)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260218143302-TheFInestS2E5TOPEKAMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="29625283"/><guid isPermaLink="false">c8ebda30-0d19-11f1-b04e-a59eaf8f190e</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">San Diego's </span><a href="https://topekaclementine.bandcamp.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Topeka Clementine</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> brought the KPBS patio to life with a performance as part of the Sundrenched Sounds live music series — spontaneous, communal and emotionally charged. Blending sharp storytelling with sing-along moments and unexpected humor, the set moved seamlessly between intimate confession and collective call to action. We sat down afterward with Kai Simovich, the musician behind Topeka Clementine, to talk about the project's remarkable output and what it really means to go viral. Named after a street corner in Oceanside tied to grassroots mutual aid, Topeka Clementine channels community care directly into the music. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Kai shares how recent personal loss reshaped their songwriting, including the creation of "Feed the Trees," a meditation on grief, inheritance and how life carries forward. Through relentless creativity, collective energy and performance, Topeka Clementine's music insists on hope, even in heavy times.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guest:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Kai Simovich, </span><a href="https://kaizen.place/b/topekaclementine" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Topeka Clementine</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.ricksteves.com/watch-read-listen/read/articles/estonia-singing-revolution" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Estonia's Singing Revolution</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rick Steves) </span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Amass  | </span><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/dining/amass-restaurant-copenhagen-matt-orlando.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Matt Orlando Brings California Sun to Copenhagen</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Florence Fabricant, New York Times, 2017)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260218143121-topekaclementine_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:20:34</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260218143121-topekaclementine_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>The art, the joy, the keeper: The hidden work behind Niki de Saint Phalle's beloved mosaic sculptures</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The bold, joyful sculptures of Niki de Saint Phalle are woven into San Diego’s landscape, even if many people don’t know her name. In this episode, we explore the life and legacy of the artist behind Queen Califia’s Magical Circle, the Sun God at UC San Diego and the beloved Nikigator in Balboa Park. After decades of boundary-breaking art and personal hardship, Niki came to San Diego late in life and created monumental public works designed to be experienced up close, inviting touch, play and imagination. But this story also belongs to Lech Juretko, a Polish refugee and former wallpaper installer who became Niki’s longtime assistant. He helped build her massive mosaic sculptures piece by piece.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">More than 20 years after her death, he is still repairing cracked tiles and replacing missing stones, preserving artwork created for interaction and shared wonder. It’s a story about creative devotion, chosen family and the magic that happens when art leaves museum walls and becomes part of everyday life.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lech Juretko, founder and owner of Art Mosaic, longtime assistant of artist Niki de Saint Phalle</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jill Dawsey, PhD, senior curator at Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego, co-author of "Niki de Saint Phalle in the 1960s"&nbsp;</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nikidesaintphalle.org/niki-de-saint-phalle/public-works/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle: Public Works</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Niki Charitable Art Foundation)</span></li><li><a href="https://visitescondido.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/QueenCalifiaPressRelease_Sept2003opening.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle Garden Opens in Escondido</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City of Escondido, 2003)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2023/06/14/keeping-up-the-legacy-of-niki-de-saint-phalle" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Keeping up the legacy of Niki de Saint Phalle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2022/04/07/on-view-artist-niki-de-saint-phalles-radical-decade" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Artist Niki de Saint Phalle's radical decade</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://hyperallergic.com/the-darkness-behind-niki-de-saint-phalles-colorful-beauties/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Darkness Behind Niki de Saint Phalle's Colorful Beauties</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Eunice Lipton, Hyperallergic, 2015)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://sigliopress.com/titles/niki-de-saint-phalle/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What Is Now Known Was Once Only Imagined: An (Auto)biography of Niki de Saint Phalle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Nicole Rudick, Siglio Press, 2022)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300260106/niki-de-saint-phalle-in-the-1960s/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle in the 1960s</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Jill Dawsey and Michelle White, Yale University Press, 2021)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://contemporarylynx.co.uk/niki-who-tamed-the-dragons" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki Who Tamed The Dragons</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Wojciech Delikta, Contemporary Lynx, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://mediation.centrepompidou.fr/education/ressources/ENS-newrea-EN/ENS-newrea-EN.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">New Realism</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Center Pompidou, La Collection, Musee national d'art moderne, Pompidou Centre, Paris, 1987, and La Collection, Acquisitions, 1986-1996, Pompidou Centre, Paris, 1996)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://www.tate.org.uk/tate-etc/issue-12-spring-2008/my-terrific-mother" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">My Terrific Mother</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Laura Gabriela, Tate Etc., Tate Modern, 2008)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://atlantabg.org/calendar/niki-in-the-garden/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki in the Garden</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Atlanta Botanical Garden, 2026)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://walkerart.org/collections/publications/art-expanded/pop-gun/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Pop Gun Art: Niki de Saint Phalle and the Operatic Multiple</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Nichole L. Woods, Walker Art Center, Walker Living Collections Catalogue)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n16/lidija-haas/at-moma-ps1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">At MoMA PS1: Niki de Saint Phalle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Lidija Haas, London Review of Books, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/01/world/jean-tinguely-playful-sculptor-of-scrap-contraptions-dies-at-66.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jean Tinguely, Playful Sculptor of Scrap Contraptions, Dies at 66</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (New York Times, 1991)</span></li><li><a href="https://brooklynrail.org/2018/07/verbatim/Nikis-Sculptures-in-Le-Cimetire-de-Montparnasse/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle: Le Cimetière de Montparnasse</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Devon Whitehead, The Brooklyn Rail, 2018)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23182162/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle's lifelong dialogue between art and diseases</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Henning Zeidler, Joint Bone Spine, National Library of Medicine, 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/23/arts/niki-de-saint-phalle-sculptor-is-dead-at-71.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle, Sculptor, Is Dead at 71</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ken Johnson, New York Times, 2002)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2018/10/12/vandals-break-in-smash-mirrors-and-more-in-escondido-sculpture-garden/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Vandals break in, smash mirrors and more in Escondido sculpture garden</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Teri Figueroa, San Diego Union Tribune, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://mingei.org/stories/sculpture/the-keeper-of-niki-de-saint-phalles-menagerie" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Keeper of Niki de Saint Phalle's Menagerie</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mingei International Museum, 2019)</span></li></ul><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"</span><a href="https://collections.mingei.org/objects-1/info?query%3Dmfs%20any%20%22nikigator%22%26sort%3D9%26page%3D2" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Nikigator, 2001</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">" (Mingei International Museum, collections)</span></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260211163816-NIKIS2E4MASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="44167796"/><guid isPermaLink="false">1ebb9600-07ab-11f1-b444-03e582b8557e</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The bold, joyful sculptures of Niki de Saint Phalle are woven into San Diego’s landscape, even if many people don’t know her name. In this episode, we explore the life and legacy of the artist behind Queen Califia’s Magical Circle, the Sun God at UC San Diego and the beloved Nikigator in Balboa Park. After decades of boundary-breaking art and personal hardship, Niki came to San Diego late in life and created monumental public works designed to be experienced up close, inviting touch, play and imagination. But this story also belongs to Lech Juretko, a Polish refugee and former wallpaper installer who became Niki’s longtime assistant. He helped build her massive mosaic sculptures piece by piece. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">More than 20 years after her death, he is still repairing cracked tiles and replacing missing stones, preserving artwork created for interaction and shared wonder. It’s a story about creative devotion, chosen family and the magic that happens when art leaves museum walls and becomes part of everyday life.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lech Juretko, founder and owner of Art Mosaic, longtime assistant of artist Niki de Saint Phalle</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jill Dawsey, PhD, senior curator at Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego, co-author of "Niki de Saint Phalle in the 1960s" </span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nikidesaintphalle.org/niki-de-saint-phalle/public-works/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle: Public Works</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Niki Charitable Art Foundation)</span></li><li><a href="https://visitescondido.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/QueenCalifiaPressRelease_Sept2003opening.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle Garden Opens in Escondido</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City of Escondido, 2003)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2023/06/14/keeping-up-the-legacy-of-niki-de-saint-phalle" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Keeping up the legacy of Niki de Saint Phalle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2022/04/07/on-view-artist-niki-de-saint-phalles-radical-decade" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Artist Niki de Saint Phalle's radical decade</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://hyperallergic.com/the-darkness-behind-niki-de-saint-phalles-colorful-beauties/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Darkness Behind Niki de Saint Phalle's Colorful Beauties</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Eunice Lipton, Hyperallergic, 2015)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://sigliopress.com/titles/niki-de-saint-phalle/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What Is Now Known Was Once Only Imagined: An (Auto)biography of Niki de Saint Phalle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Nicole Rudick, Siglio Press, 2022)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300260106/niki-de-saint-phalle-in-the-1960s/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle in the 1960s</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Jill Dawsey and Michelle White, Yale University Press, 2021)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://contemporarylynx.co.uk/niki-who-tamed-the-dragons" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki Who Tamed The Dragons</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Wojciech Delikta, Contemporary Lynx, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://mediation.centrepompidou.fr/education/ressources/ENS-newrea-EN/ENS-newrea-EN.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">New Realism</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Center Pompidou, La Collection, Musee national d'art moderne, Pompidou Centre, Paris, 1987, and La Collection, Acquisitions, 1986-1996, Pompidou Centre, Paris, 1996)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://www.tate.org.uk/tate-etc/issue-12-spring-2008/my-terrific-mother" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">My Terrific Mother</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Laura Gabriela, Tate Etc., Tate Modern, 2008)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://atlantabg.org/calendar/niki-in-the-garden/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki in the Garden</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Atlanta Botanical Garden, 2026)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://walkerart.org/collections/publications/art-expanded/pop-gun/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Pop Gun Art: Niki de Saint Phalle and the Operatic Multiple</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Nichole L. Woods, Walker Art Center, Walker Living Collections Catalogue)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n16/lidija-haas/at-moma-ps1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">At MoMA PS1: Niki de Saint Phalle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Lidija Haas, London Review of Books, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/01/world/jean-tinguely-playful-sculptor-of-scrap-contraptions-dies-at-66.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jean Tinguely, Playful Sculptor of Scrap Contraptions, Dies at 66</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (New York Times, 1991)</span></li><li><a href="https://brooklynrail.org/2018/07/verbatim/Nikis-Sculptures-in-Le-Cimetire-de-Montparnasse/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle: Le Cimetière de Montparnasse</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Devon Whitehead, The Brooklyn Rail, 2018) </span></li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23182162/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle's lifelong dialogue between art and diseases</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Henning Zeidler, Joint Bone Spine, National Library of Medicine, 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/23/arts/niki-de-saint-phalle-sculptor-is-dead-at-71.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Niki de Saint Phalle, Sculptor, Is Dead at 71</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ken Johnson, New York Times, 2002)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2018/10/12/vandals-break-in-smash-mirrors-and-more-in-escondido-sculpture-garden/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Vandals break in, smash mirrors and more in Escondido sculpture garden</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Teri Figueroa, San Diego Union Tribune, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://mingei.org/stories/sculpture/the-keeper-of-niki-de-saint-phalles-menagerie" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Keeper of Niki de Saint Phalle's Menagerie</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mingei International Museum, 2019)</span></li></ul><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"</span><a href="https://collections.mingei.org/objects-1/info?query%3Dmfs%20any%20%22nikigator%22%26sort%3D9%26page%3D2" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Nikigator, 2001</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">" (Mingei International Museum, collections)</span></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260211163823-lech_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:30:40</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260211163823-lech_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>From Seafood City to stardom: How Jessica Sanchez returned to 'America's Got Talent' 20 years later</title><description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://hoo.be/officialjessicasanchez" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> grew up in the South Bay, the daughter of Filipino and Mexican American parents. Her mother says she started singing as soon as she could talk. By age 10, Jessica was performing all over San Diego's South Bay, including her local Seafood City grocery store, before taking the national stage on the very first season of "</span><a href="https://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">America's Got Talent</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">." By 16, she became the runner-up on "American Idol." She quickly became a hometown icon — someone people here were cheering for.  Jessica was molded into a musical prodigy. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But as quickly as she rose, the pressure and expectations began to weigh on her.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">She questioned her place in the music industry and withdrew from the spotlight. What brought her home to San Diego? And what gave her the strength to return to the national stage, nearly two decades later?</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/jessicaesanchez/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, singer</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Anamaria Labao Cabato, executive director of </span><a href="https://pasacat.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">PASACAT Philippine Performing Arts Company</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Shoppers at </span><a href="https://www.seafoodcity.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Seafood City Supermarket</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> in Bay Plaza</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/05/18/chula-vistas-jessica-sanchez-advances-american-ido" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Chula Vista's Jessica Sanchez Advances to 'American Idol' Finale</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City News Service via KPBS, May 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/05/24/american-idol-finale-phillip-phillips-wins-title-o" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'American Idol' Finale: Phillip Phillips Wins Title Over Jessica Sanchez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City News Service via KPBS, May 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPX6vCoo3pA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's first appearance on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2006)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMdogL_NxJc&amp;list=RDHMdogL_NxJc&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez performs Whitney Houston's 'I Will Always Love You' on 'American Idol'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliKAbcQWGA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez performs 'I Have Nothing' on 'American Idol'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrXCYI18a50&amp;list=OLAK5uy_n5ycj0Qy4_d8OAxTWoq8CHicutv3ncuLo&amp;index=3" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Tonight' by Jessica Sanchez ft. Ne-Yo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2013)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s0kpTdnqLc" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's early YouTube cover of Bruno Mars' 'Just the Way You Are'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2014)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-V1XTvsPq8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's Golden Buzzer performance of </a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvS4RSstkA&amp;list=RDWyvS4RSstkA&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Benson Boone's</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-V1XTvsPq8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Beautiful Things' on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvS4RSstkA&amp;list=RDWyvS4RSstkA&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's Quarterfinal performance of Alex Warren's 'Ordinary' on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMB3674nFOY&amp;list=RDFMB3674nFOY&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's Finals performance of Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga's 'Die With a Smile' on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260204161911-TheFinestS2E3JessicaSanchezMASTERV21.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="41551028"/><guid isPermaLink="false">4b4c3e70-0228-11f1-8f80-99c40122ef78</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://hoo.be/officialjessicasanchez" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> grew up in the South Bay, the daughter of Filipino and Mexican American parents. Her mother says she started singing as soon as she could talk. By age 10, Jessica was performing all over San Diego's South Bay, including her local Seafood City grocery store, before taking the national stage on the very first season of "</span><a href="https://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">America's Got Talent</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">." By 16, she became the runner-up on "American Idol." She quickly became a hometown icon — someone people here were cheering for.  Jessica was molded into a musical prodigy. </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But as quickly as she rose, the pressure and expectations began to weigh on her. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">She questioned her place in the music industry and withdrew from the spotlight. What brought her home to San Diego? And what gave her the strength to return to the national stage, nearly two decades later?</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/jessicaesanchez/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, singer</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Anamaria Labao Cabato, executive director of </span><a href="https://pasacat.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">PASACAT Philippine Performing Arts Company</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Shoppers at </span><a href="https://www.seafoodcity.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Seafood City Supermarket</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> in Bay Plaza</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/05/18/chula-vistas-jessica-sanchez-advances-american-ido" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Chula Vista's Jessica Sanchez Advances to 'American Idol' Finale</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City News Service via KPBS, May 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/05/24/american-idol-finale-phillip-phillips-wins-title-o" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'American Idol' Finale: Phillip Phillips Wins Title Over Jessica Sanchez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City News Service via KPBS, May 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPX6vCoo3pA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's first appearance on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2006)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMdogL_NxJc&amp;list=RDHMdogL_NxJc&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez performs Whitney Houston's 'I Will Always Love You' on 'American Idol'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CliKAbcQWGA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez performs 'I Have Nothing' on 'American Idol'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrXCYI18a50&amp;list=OLAK5uy_n5ycj0Qy4_d8OAxTWoq8CHicutv3ncuLo&amp;index=3" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Tonight' by Jessica Sanchez ft. Ne-Yo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2013)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s0kpTdnqLc" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's early YouTube cover of Bruno Mars' 'Just the Way You Are'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2014)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-V1XTvsPq8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's Golden Buzzer performance of </a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvS4RSstkA&amp;list=RDWyvS4RSstkA&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Benson Boone's</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-V1XTvsPq8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Beautiful Things' on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvS4RSstkA&amp;list=RDWyvS4RSstkA&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's Quarterfinal performance of Alex Warren's 'Ordinary' on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMB3674nFOY&amp;list=RDFMB3674nFOY&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jessica Sanchez's Finals performance of Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga's 'Die With a Smile' on 'America's Got Talent'</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260204161919-js_blue.png"/><itunes:duration>00:28:51</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260204161919-js_blue.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>'Made in a Home Kitchen': Raíz Chocolate turns Mexican tradition into a microenterprise</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Elizabeth "Ely" Rosales Aguilar has built </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/raiz_chocolate/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Raíz Chocolate</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> from her San Diego home kitchen, turning a childhood love of chocolate into a small but thriving business. She carefully sources Mexican cacao and crafts silky bars and rich drinking chocolates, like champurrado, using recipes passed down for generations. Her work is precise and deliberate, highlighting skill, patience and artistry while remaining deeply rooted in tradition.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">From bean sourcing to finished bars, Ely keeps her process transparent and small-scale, with an emphasis on preserving natural flavors —&nbsp;a sharp contrast to mainstream chocolate production. The name Raíz, which means "source" or “root” in Spanish, reflects that commitment to honoring cacao’s origins and the heritage behind each recipe.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">California's home kitchen and cottage food laws allowed her to turn that passion into a legitimate career, offering an alternative to mass-produced chocolate. Her story blends resilience, entrepreneurship and cultural heritage, showing how craft, intention and tradition can transform a home kitchen into a business that delivers exceptional flavor while preserving the legacy of Mexican chocolate-making.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Elizabeth "Ely" Rosales Aguilar, </span><a href="https://raizchocolate.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Raíz Chocolate</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> founder</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/deh/fhd/food/homekitchenoperations.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Home Kitchen Operations: Microenterprise Home Kitchen Operations (MEHKO) and Cottage Food Operations (CFO)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SanDiegoCounty.gov)</span></li><li><a href="https://ucanr.edu/site/cottage-foods" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">California Cottage Food Operations</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CEH/DFDCS/Pages/FDBPrograms/FoodSafetyProgram/MicroenterpriseHomeKitchenOperations.aspx#:~:text=%E2%80%8BMicroenterprise%20Home%20Kitchen%20Operations,web%20site%20or%20mobile%20application" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">​Microenterprise Home Kitchen Operations</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (California Department of Health)</span></li><li><a href="https://restaurant.org/getmedia/a618a883-6705-4018-8b1b-9c74d8d99d23/nra-data-brief-restaurant-owner-demographics-april-2025.pdf#:~:text=Data%20Brief%20%E2%80%93%20April%202025,Minorities" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Restaurant Owner Demographics</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Restaurant Association)</span></li><li><a href="https://19thnews.org/2021/12/at-home-businesses-growing-women-people-of-color/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">At-home businesses are growing. Women and people of color benefit the most</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://19thnews.org/author/chabeli-carrazana" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Chabeli Carrazana</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, The 19th, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://raizchocolate.com/products/mexico-almendra-blanca-70-finca-frida" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Almendra Blanca Bar - 70% Single-Origin, Finca Frida, México</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Raíz Chocolate)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.revivalcacao.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Revival Cacao</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Supplier for Raíz Chocolate)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods/supply-chains/cocoa" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">ILAB Cocoa Storyboard: Exposing Exploitation in Global Supply Chains</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of Labor </span><a href="https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Bureau of International Labor Affairs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mars.com/news-and-stories/articles/cocoa-supply-chain-transparency" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Mars Supply Chain Transparency</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mars)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/maya-cacao-ceramics-royals-currency-ritual" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">In Maya society, cacao use was for everyone, not just royals</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/author/richard-kemeny" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Richard Kemeny</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, ScienceNews, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274837640_ARC2AZT_Essay_Life_Death_and_Chocolate_in_Mesoamerica_The_Aztecs_and_the_Maya_Where_did_the_Ritual_Use_of_Cacao_Originate" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Life, Death and Chocolate in Mesoamerica: The Aztecs and the Maya; Where did the Ritual Use of Cacao Originate?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Caroline-Seawright?_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIn19" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Caroline Seawright</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/maya-civilization-used-chocolate-money" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Maya civilization used chocolate as money</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Joshua Rapp Learn, Science, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.merca20.com/what-is-the-chocolate-and-cocoa-industry-worth-in-mexico/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What is the chocolate and cocoa industry worth in Mexico? </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Laura Islas, Merca 2.0, 2025)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Mexico cocoa bean </span><a href="https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/MEX/year/2023/tradeflow/Imports/partner/ALL/product/180100?" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">imports</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/MEX/year/2023/tradeflow/Exports/partner/ALL/product/180100" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">exports</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (World Integrated Trade Solution)</span></li><li><a href="https://chlpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Home-kitchen-issue-brief-2021-final-1.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Cottage Foods and Home Kitchens: 2021 State Policy Trends</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Harvard Law School Food Law and Policy Clinic, 2022)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260121172137-TheFinestS2E2RaizMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="43399988"/><guid isPermaLink="false">b2c42540-f730-11f0-b824-b9d0f40b2b89</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Elizabeth "Ely" Rosales Aguilar has built </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/raiz_chocolate/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Raíz Chocolate</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> from her San Diego home kitchen, turning a childhood love of chocolate into a small but thriving business. She carefully sources Mexican cacao and crafts silky bars and rich drinking chocolates, like champurrado, using recipes passed down for generations. Her work is precise and deliberate, highlighting skill, patience and artistry while remaining deeply rooted in tradition.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">From bean sourcing to finished bars, Ely keeps her process transparent and small-scale, with an emphasis on preserving natural flavors — a sharp contrast to mainstream chocolate production. The name Raíz, which means "source" or “root” in Spanish, reflects that commitment to honoring cacao’s origins and the heritage behind each recipe.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">California's home kitchen and cottage food laws allowed her to turn that passion into a legitimate career, offering an alternative to mass-produced chocolate. Her story blends resilience, entrepreneurship and cultural heritage, showing how craft, intention and tradition can transform a home kitchen into a business that delivers exceptional flavor while preserving the legacy of Mexican chocolate-making.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Elizabeth "Ely" Rosales Aguilar, </span><a href="https://raizchocolate.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Raíz Chocolate</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> founder</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/deh/fhd/food/homekitchenoperations.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Home Kitchen Operations: Microenterprise Home Kitchen Operations (MEHKO) and Cottage Food Operations (CFO)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SanDiegoCounty.gov)</span></li><li><a href="https://ucanr.edu/site/cottage-foods" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">California Cottage Food Operations</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CEH/DFDCS/Pages/FDBPrograms/FoodSafetyProgram/MicroenterpriseHomeKitchenOperations.aspx#:~:text=%E2%80%8BMicroenterprise%20Home%20Kitchen%20Operations,web%20site%20or%20mobile%20application" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">​Microenterprise Home Kitchen Operations</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (California Department of Health)</span></li><li><a href="https://restaurant.org/getmedia/a618a883-6705-4018-8b1b-9c74d8d99d23/nra-data-brief-restaurant-owner-demographics-april-2025.pdf#:~:text=Data%20Brief%20%E2%80%93%20April%202025,Minorities" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Restaurant Owner Demographics</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Restaurant Association)</span></li><li><a href="https://19thnews.org/2021/12/at-home-businesses-growing-women-people-of-color/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">At-home businesses are growing. Women and people of color benefit the most</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://19thnews.org/author/chabeli-carrazana" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Chabeli Carrazana</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, The 19th, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://raizchocolate.com/products/mexico-almendra-blanca-70-finca-frida" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Almendra Blanca Bar - 70% Single-Origin, Finca Frida, México</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Raíz Chocolate)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.revivalcacao.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Revival Cacao</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Supplier for Raíz Chocolate)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods/supply-chains/cocoa" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">ILAB Cocoa Storyboard: Exposing Exploitation in Global Supply Chains</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of Labor </span><a href="https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Bureau of International Labor Affairs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mars.com/news-and-stories/articles/cocoa-supply-chain-transparency" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Mars Supply Chain Transparency</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mars) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/maya-cacao-ceramics-royals-currency-ritual" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">In Maya society, cacao use was for everyone, not just royals</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/author/richard-kemeny" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Richard Kemeny</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, ScienceNews, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274837640_ARC2AZT_Essay_Life_Death_and_Chocolate_in_Mesoamerica_The_Aztecs_and_the_Maya_Where_did_the_Ritual_Use_of_Cacao_Originate" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Life, Death and Chocolate in Mesoamerica: The Aztecs and the Maya; Where did the Ritual Use of Cacao Originate?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Caroline-Seawright?_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIn19" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Caroline Seawright</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.science.org/content/article/maya-civilization-used-chocolate-money" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Maya civilization used chocolate as money</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Joshua Rapp Learn, Science, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.merca20.com/what-is-the-chocolate-and-cocoa-industry-worth-in-mexico/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What is the chocolate and cocoa industry worth in Mexico? </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Laura Islas, Merca 2.0, 2025)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Mexico cocoa bean </span><a href="https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/MEX/year/2023/tradeflow/Imports/partner/ALL/product/180100?" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">imports</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/MEX/year/2023/tradeflow/Exports/partner/ALL/product/180100" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">exports</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (World Integrated Trade Solution)</span></li><li><a href="https://chlpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Home-kitchen-issue-brief-2021-final-1.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Cottage Foods and Home Kitchens: 2021 State Policy Trends</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Harvard Law School Food Law and Policy Clinic, 2022)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260121172147-raiz_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:30:08</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260121172147-raiz_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>Risograph revival: How a forgotten printer built a global DIY art movement</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Risograph printing was built for efficiency — a fast, economical way to make thousands of identical copies for offices, churches and schools. It was never meant to be expressive or personal. After newer technology pushed the machine into obsolescence, artists began discovering risography — drawn to its unpredictability, physicality and limits. From a squatted bank in the Netherlands to DIY print spaces across Europe and the U.S., Risograph printing became a tool for people working outside traditional art and publishing systems.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">In San Diego, that lineage comes into focus at </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/burn_all_books/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Burn All Books</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> — a space that is part shop, part press and part gathering place. There, Risograph printing isn't just about what gets made, but how: through shared labor, in-person collaboration and a commitment to keeping artists connected in an increasingly expensive and isolating city.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"You need a network of people who want to help you. That's something cobbled together very slowly over a long period of time. I just feel like so much of our success, to me, has felt like a combination of flukes and really wonderful favors and opportunities," said Manda Bernal, who cofounded Burn All Books with her husband Nick.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Manda and Nick Bernal, </span><a href="https://www.babandfriends.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Burn All Books</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> founders</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;"> Kevin Huynh, artist&nbsp;</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Paloma, Jill, Phillip, Noelle, Tia, Galia and the crew at Burn All Books</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jan Dirk de Wilde, </span><a href="https://extrapool.nl/about-knust-press-2/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Knust</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> co-founder</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">George Wietor, </span><a href="https://issue.press/about" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Issue Press</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> founder</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://pure.eur.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/68867808/Squatting_in_the_Netherlands_institutionalization_aut_vers.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Squatting in the Netherlands: The social and political institutionalization of a movement</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Hans Pruijt, Public goods versus economic interests via EUR Research Information Portal, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ivanczyew.com/knust" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">“KNUST, the pioneers of Riso print”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> documentary directed by Ivana Smudja</span></li><li><a href="https://www.riso.co.jp/english/company/history/index.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">RISO Kagaku’s history</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://www.riso.co.jp/english/index.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">RISO official website</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/risograph-machines" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Vintage Japanese Copy Machine Enjoying an Artistic Renaissance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Evan Nicole Brown, Atlas Obscura, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/2018/12/18/culture-report-the-rise-of-the-risograph/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Culture Report: The Rise of the Risograph</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, Voice of San Diego, 2018)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260114142308-TheFinestS2E1RisoMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="52658947"/><guid isPermaLink="false">9a7fbe30-f197-11f0-ad58-41e7762f75bc</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Risograph printing was built for efficiency — a fast, economical way to make thousands of identical copies for offices, churches and schools. It was never meant to be expressive or personal. After newer technology pushed the machine into obsolescence, artists began discovering risography — drawn to its unpredictability, physicality and limits. From a squatted bank in the Netherlands to DIY print spaces across Europe and the U.S., Risograph printing became a tool for people working outside traditional art and publishing systems.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">In San Diego, that lineage comes into focus at </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/burn_all_books/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Burn All Books</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> — a space that is part shop, part press and part gathering place. There, Risograph printing isn't just about what gets made, but how: through shared labor, in-person collaboration and a commitment to keeping artists connected in an increasingly expensive and isolating city.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"You need a network of people who want to help you. That's something cobbled together very slowly over a long period of time. I just feel like so much of our success, to me, has felt like a combination of flukes and really wonderful favors and opportunities," said Manda Bernal, who cofounded Burn All Books with her husband Nick.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Manda and Nick Bernal, </span><a href="https://www.babandfriends.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Burn All Books</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> founders</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;"> Kevin Huynh, artist </span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Paloma, Jill, Phillip, Noelle, Tia, Galia and the crew at Burn All Books</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jan Dirk de Wilde, </span><a href="https://extrapool.nl/about-knust-press-2/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Knust</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> co-founder</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">George Wietor, </span><a href="https://issue.press/about" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Issue Press</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> founder</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://pure.eur.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/68867808/Squatting_in_the_Netherlands_institutionalization_aut_vers.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Squatting in the Netherlands: The social and political institutionalization of a movement</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Hans Pruijt, Public goods versus economic interests via EUR Research Information Portal, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ivanczyew.com/knust" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">“KNUST, the pioneers of Riso print”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> documentary directed by Ivana Smudja</span></li><li><a href="https://www.riso.co.jp/english/company/history/index.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">RISO Kagaku’s history</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="https://www.riso.co.jp/english/index.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">RISO official website</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/risograph-machines" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Vintage Japanese Copy Machine Enjoying an Artistic Renaissance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Evan Nicole Brown, Atlas Obscura, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/2018/12/18/culture-report-the-rise-of-the-risograph/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Culture Report: The Rise of the Risograph</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, Voice of San Diego, 2018)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/risograph-revival-how-a-forgotten-printer-built-a-global-diy-art-movement</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260114142208-cover_bernals.png"/><itunes:duration>00:36:34</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260114142208-cover_bernals.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>The Finest: New season, new stories</title><description>The Finest returns with a new season, exploring the people, art and movements redefining San Diego culture. From discovering new species in local preserves to reviving forgotten arts, crafting chocolate at home and forging unexpected connections, these stories celebrate ingenuity, resilience, and community. Premiering Jan. 15, new episodes drop weekly. Search The Finest wherever you get your podcasts.</description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20260109142500-TRAILERS2_V2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="4984044"/><guid isPermaLink="false">0941cb60-edaa-11f0-a8d9-1fcba5dfde62</guid><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250529144019-TheFinest-NPR-3000x3000.jpg"/><itunes:duration>00:02:04</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250529144019-TheFinest-NPR-3000x3000.jpg 3000w"/><pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2026 14:30:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>A special episode where a superfan takes our survey — plus your chance to win a Finest T-shirt</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We’re dropping a special minisode during our season break with one request: Help shape Season 2 of The Finest by taking our anonymous survey at KPBS.org/TheFinestSurvey. Your feedback helps guide what stories we cover next — and it enters you in a raffle to win an exclusive The Finest T-shirt. We’ll draw winners before the Season 2 premiere on Jan. 15. Plus, KPBS Racial Justice and Social Equity Reporter Katie Hyson, a self-proclaimed The Finest fan, takes the survey live on the show.</span></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251210171048-THEFINESTSURVEYEPISODEMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="16047392"/><guid isPermaLink="false">3a216930-d62e-11f0-8c7e-c15fd0d39972</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We’re dropping a special minisode during our season break with one request: Help shape Season 2 of The Finest by taking our anonymous survey at KPBS.org/TheFinestSurvey. Your feedback helps guide what stories we cover next — and it enters you in a raffle to win an exclusive The Finest T-shirt. We’ll draw winners before the Season 2 premiere on Jan. 15. Plus, KPBS Racial Justice and Social Equity Reporter Katie Hyson, a self-proclaimed The Finest fan, takes the survey live on the show.</span></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251210171050-survey1.png"/><itunes:duration>00:11:08</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251210171050-survey1.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>The nation's largest book ban: Inside the fight to read in America's prisons</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For many people who are incarcerated, a single book can be life-changing – a rare source of freedom and connection in a system built on isolation. That was true for Cherish Burtson, who discovered during her time in federal prison that reading could be a source of survival. Books became her escape, her education and a starting point to rebuild her life. But getting books behind bars isn't easy. Across the United States, correctional systems routinely ban or reject thousands of titles each year, reflecting deeper struggles over punishment, control and compassion. According to PEN America,  correctional facilities in all 50 states contribute to the nation's largest book ban, censoring more books than schools and libraries combined. This episode follows a group of San Diego volunteers working to get books past prison walls. It explores how the simple act of reading can restore a sense of humanity in even the harshest conditions — and what it says about who we are when we decide who gets to read.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Cherish Burtson, substance use disorders counselor at </span><a href="https://www.fhcsd.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Family Health Centers of San Diego</a></li><li><a href="https://pen.org/profile/moira-marquis/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Moira Marquis</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Freewrite project senior manager at PEN America</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">terry vargas, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sdbooksthrubars/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books Through Bars San Diego</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> volunteer</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/US.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">United States Incarceration Profile</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Prison Policy Initiative)</span></li><li><a href="https://trends.vera.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Incarceration Trends</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Vera, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0093854812456777" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Women’s Pathways to Serious and Habitual Crime: A Person-Centered Analysis Incorporating Gender Responsive Factors</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Tim Brennan, Markus Breitenbach, William Dieterich, Emily J. Salisbury and Patricia van Voorhis Notes, Criminal Justice and Behavior via Sage Journals, 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kqed.org/news/12017117/east-bay-federal-prison-plagued-sex-abuse-scandal-close-permanently" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">East Bay Federal Prison Plagued by Sex Abuse Scandal Will Close Permanently</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (KQED, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/center/liman/document/time_in_cell_2021.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Time-In-Cell: A 2021 Snapshot of Restrictive Housing based on a Nationwide Survey of U.S. Prison Systems</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Correctional Leaders Association &amp; The Arthur Liman Center for Public Interest Law at Yale Law School, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/covid19/updates/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">COVID-19 Timeline</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.thejha.org/special-reports/3state" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Three State Prison Oversight During the COVID-19 Pandemic</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (John Howard Association of Illinois, the Correctional Association of New York and the Pennsylvania Prison Society, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprofit/9bcdd04db5dc4ee5bd9518a259147e23-groundwork-books-collective-san-diego" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Groundwork Books Collective</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Idealist)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/products/over-the-edge-death-in-gc-1-20-20739" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Michael P. Ghiglieri and Thomas M. Myers, 2001)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DDIpcjkyuv4/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books Thru Bars 2024 Impact</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Books Through Bars San Diego via Instagram, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DQSGnEpkgJI/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books Thru Bars Your Donation at a Glance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Books Through Bars San Diego via Instagram, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2024/12/10/local-prison-book-program-brings-connection-and-humanity-despite-censorship" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Local prison book program brings connection and humanity despite censorship</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://pen.org/report/literature-locked-up-prison-book-bans-report/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Literature Locked Up How Prison Book Restriction Policies Constitute the Nation’s Largest Book Ban</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (James Tager, PEN America, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://pen.org/report/reading-between-the-bars/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Reading Between the Bars: An In-Depth Look at Prison Censorship</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Moira Marquis and Juliana Luna, PEN America, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/family-resources/disapproved-publications/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Disapproved Publications</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.d.umn.edu/~jmaahs/Correctional%20Continuum/Online%20Readings/rothman_prefecting%20the%20prison.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Perfecting the Prison: United States, 1789-1865</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (David J. Rothman, Oxford History of the Prison: The Practice of Punishment in Western Society via University of Minnesota Duluth, 1995)</span></li><li><a href="https://easternstate.org/about/history-of-eastern-state-penitentiary" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">History of Eastern State Penitentiary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Eastern State)</span></li><li><a href="https://justjournalism.org/page/deterrence-and-incapacitation-a-quick-review-of-the-research" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Deterrence and Incapacitation: A Quick Review of the Research</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Laura Bennett and Felicity Rose, The Center for Just Journalism, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2025.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Mass Incarceration: The Whole Pie 2025</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Wendy Sawyer and Peter Wagner, Prison Policy Initiative, 2025</span></li><li><a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/715100?journalCode=cj" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Custodial Sanctions and Reoffending: A Meta-Analytic Review </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Damon M. Petrich, Travis C. Pratt, Cheryl Lero Jonson and Francis T. Cullen, University of Chicago Press Journals, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2024/09/16/prison_banned_book_week/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Prison Banned Books Week: Books give incarcerated people access to the world, but tablets are often used to wall them off</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mike Wessler and Juliana Luna, Prison Policy Initiative, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ugapress.org/9780820365879/books-through-bars/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books through Bars Stories from the Prison Books Movement</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Dave "Mac" Marquis and Moira Marquis, University of Georgia, 2024)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251105191746-THEFINESTEP25MASTERMIX.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="53126710"/><guid isPermaLink="false">2a984210-babf-11f0-b527-03e39fa18f3c</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For many people who are incarcerated, a single book can be life-changing – a rare source of freedom and connection in a system built on isolation. That was true for Cherish Burtson, who discovered during her time in federal prison that reading could be a source of survival. Books became her escape, her education and a starting point to rebuild her life. But getting books behind bars isn't easy. Across the United States, correctional systems routinely ban or reject thousands of titles each year, reflecting deeper struggles over punishment, control and compassion. According to PEN America,  correctional facilities in all 50 states contribute to the nation's largest book ban, censoring more books than schools and libraries combined. This episode follows a group of San Diego volunteers working to get books past prison walls. It explores how the simple act of reading can restore a sense of humanity in even the harshest conditions — and what it says about who we are when we decide who gets to read.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Cherish Burtson, substance use disorders counselor at </span><a href="https://www.fhcsd.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Family Health Centers of San Diego</a></li><li><a href="https://pen.org/profile/moira-marquis/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Moira Marquis</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Freewrite project senior manager at PEN America</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">terry vargas, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sdbooksthrubars/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books Through Bars San Diego</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> volunteer</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/US.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">United States Incarceration Profile</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Prison Policy Initiative)</span></li><li><a href="https://trends.vera.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Incarceration Trends</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Vera, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0093854812456777" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Women’s Pathways to Serious and Habitual Crime: A Person-Centered Analysis Incorporating Gender Responsive Factors</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Tim Brennan, Markus Breitenbach, William Dieterich, Emily J. Salisbury and Patricia van Voorhis Notes, Criminal Justice and Behavior via Sage Journals, 2012)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kqed.org/news/12017117/east-bay-federal-prison-plagued-sex-abuse-scandal-close-permanently" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">East Bay Federal Prison Plagued by Sex Abuse Scandal Will Close Permanently</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (KQED, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/center/liman/document/time_in_cell_2021.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Time-In-Cell: A 2021 Snapshot of Restrictive Housing based on a Nationwide Survey of U.S. Prison Systems</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Correctional Leaders Association &amp; The Arthur Liman Center for Public Interest Law at Yale Law School, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/covid19/updates/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">COVID-19 Timeline</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.thejha.org/special-reports/3state" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Three State Prison Oversight During the COVID-19 Pandemic</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (John Howard Association of Illinois, the Correctional Association of New York and the Pennsylvania Prison Society, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprofit/9bcdd04db5dc4ee5bd9518a259147e23-groundwork-books-collective-san-diego" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Groundwork Books Collective</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Idealist)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/products/over-the-edge-death-in-gc-1-20-20739" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Michael P. Ghiglieri and Thomas M. Myers, 2001)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DDIpcjkyuv4/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books Thru Bars 2024 Impact</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Books Through Bars San Diego via Instagram, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DQSGnEpkgJI/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books Thru Bars Your Donation at a Glance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Books Through Bars San Diego via Instagram, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2024/12/10/local-prison-book-program-brings-connection-and-humanity-despite-censorship" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Local prison book program brings connection and humanity despite censorship</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://pen.org/report/literature-locked-up-prison-book-bans-report/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Literature Locked Up How Prison Book Restriction Policies Constitute the Nation’s Largest Book Ban</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (James Tager, PEN America, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://pen.org/report/reading-between-the-bars/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Reading Between the Bars: An In-Depth Look at Prison Censorship</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Moira Marquis and Juliana Luna, PEN America, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/family-resources/disapproved-publications/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Disapproved Publications</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.d.umn.edu/~jmaahs/Correctional%20Continuum/Online%20Readings/rothman_prefecting%20the%20prison.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Perfecting the Prison: United States, 1789-1865</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (David J. Rothman, Oxford History of the Prison: The Practice of Punishment in Western Society via University of Minnesota Duluth, 1995)</span></li><li><a href="https://easternstate.org/about/history-of-eastern-state-penitentiary" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">History of Eastern State Penitentiary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Eastern State)</span></li><li><a href="https://justjournalism.org/page/deterrence-and-incapacitation-a-quick-review-of-the-research" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Deterrence and Incapacitation: A Quick Review of the Research</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Laura Bennett and Felicity Rose, The Center for Just Journalism, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2025.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Mass Incarceration: The Whole Pie 2025</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Wendy Sawyer and Peter Wagner, Prison Policy Initiative, 2025</span></li><li><a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/715100?journalCode=cj" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Custodial Sanctions and Reoffending: A Meta-Analytic Review </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Damon M. Petrich, Travis C. Pratt, Cheryl Lero Jonson and Francis T. Cullen, University of Chicago Press Journals, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2024/09/16/prison_banned_book_week/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Prison Banned Books Week: Books give incarcerated people access to the world, but tablets are often used to wall them off</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mike Wessler and Juliana Luna, Prison Policy Initiative, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ugapress.org/9780820365879/books-through-bars/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Books through Bars Stories from the Prison Books Movement</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Dave "Mac" Marquis and Moira Marquis, University of Georgia, 2024)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251105191756-prisonbooks_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:36:56</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251105191756-prisonbooks_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0800</pubDate></item><item><title>The lost composer: Alice Barnett and the paradox of fame and memory</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Alice Barnett's music once echoed across America — her songs were performed on national radio, reviewed in major newspapers and sung in concert halls from New York to Los Angeles. But over time, her name slipped from memory. In this episode, San Diego musician and researcher Katina Mitchell brings Alice's story back into focus, tracing her journey from a gifted young composer in Illinois to an internationally recognized artist who made her home in San Diego. Through archival letters, fragile sheet music and rare recordings, Katina reconstructs a life devoted to music and performs pieces that haven't been widely heard in decades. With insight from cultural scholars, we look at how fame fades, why some artists are remembered while others vanish and what it takes to restore a legacy. The result is both a rediscovery of a remarkable composer and a reflection on the delicate ways art outlasts the people who create it.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.katinamitchell.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>Katina Mitchell</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;">, musician, teacher and musicologist</strong></li><li><a href="https://cesarhidalgo.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>César A. Hidalgo</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;">, professor at Toulouse School of Economics and director of the Center for Collective Learning, Corvinus University of Budapest</strong></li><li><a href="https://www.swapnilrai.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>Swapnil Rai</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;">, associate professor in the Department of Film, Television and Media, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor</strong></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tina Zarpour, vice president of community engagement, education and collections, </span><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/sandiegohistorycenter/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego History Center</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbDBCXm-7wM" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Alice Barnett Stevenson Performance and Lecture</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Katina Mitchell, San Diego History Center via YouTube, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Amy-Marcy-Beach" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Amy Marcy Beach</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_21/sr21_024.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">100 Years of Marriage and Divorce Statistics, United States 1867-1967</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (National Center for Health Statistics, 1973)</span></li><li><a href="https://pantheon.world/data/faq" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Pantheon Project</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Center for Collective Learning)</span></li><li><a href="https://nautil.us/how-well-forget-john-lennon-237297/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">How We’ll Forget John Lennon</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(54, 54, 54);"> (Kevin Berger, Nautilus, 2019)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251029184729-TheFInestEpisode24ComposerMASTERV1.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="57107738"/><guid isPermaLink="false">650fa8a0-b532-11f0-9752-a10ac8ab614e</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Alice Barnett's music once echoed across America — her songs were performed on national radio, reviewed in major newspapers and sung in concert halls from New York to Los Angeles. But over time, her name slipped from memory. In this episode, San Diego musician and researcher Katina Mitchell brings Alice's story back into focus, tracing her journey from a gifted young composer in Illinois to an internationally recognized artist who made her home in San Diego. Through archival letters, fragile sheet music and rare recordings, Katina reconstructs a life devoted to music and performs pieces that haven't been widely heard in decades. With insight from cultural scholars, we look at how fame fades, why some artists are remembered while others vanish and what it takes to restore a legacy. The result is both a rediscovery of a remarkable composer and a reflection on the delicate ways art outlasts the people who create it.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.katinamitchell.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>Katina Mitchell</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;">, musician, teacher and musicologist</strong></li><li><a href="https://cesarhidalgo.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>César A. Hidalgo</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;">, professor at Toulouse School of Economics and director of the Center for Collective Learning, Corvinus University of Budapest</strong></li><li><a href="https://www.swapnilrai.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>Swapnil Rai</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;">, associate professor in the Department of Film, Television and Media, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor</strong></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tina Zarpour, vice president of community engagement, education and collections, </span><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/sandiegohistorycenter/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego History Center</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbDBCXm-7wM" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Alice Barnett Stevenson Performance and Lecture</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Katina Mitchell, San Diego History Center via YouTube, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Amy-Marcy-Beach" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Amy Marcy Beach</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_21/sr21_024.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">100 Years of Marriage and Divorce Statistics, United States 1867-1967</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (National Center for Health Statistics, 1973)</span></li><li><a href="https://pantheon.world/data/faq" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Pantheon Project</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Center for Collective Learning)</span></li><li><a href="https://nautil.us/how-well-forget-john-lennon-237297/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">How We’ll Forget John Lennon</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(54, 54, 54);"> (Kevin Berger, Nautilus, 2019)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251029184737-composer_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:39:39</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251029184737-composer_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>The science of the supernatural: Psychics, cults and why we believe</title><description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Dispatch From Paradise"</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> writer Cora Lee went searching for ghosts in Presidio Park, but her exploration of San Diego's supernatural underbelly didn't stop there. She visited San Diego's many mysterious cults in person, meeting members and observing their practices, and explored a long-running family dynasty of fortune tellers that has sometimes drawn law enforcement and media attention. In this Halloween episode, we follow Cora through the city's paranormal scene, from haunted hillsides and psychic shops to the strange and sprawling world of alternative spiritual communities. Along the way, religious studies professor Joseph Laycock helps unpack why belief in ghosts, aliens and spirits persists and what our search for "presence" reveals about being human. It's part spooky story, part San Diego history and part philosophical journey into why some mysteries endure — and why, deep down, we might not want them to end.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong><span class="ql-cursor">﻿</span>Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://coralee.net/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cora Lee</a>, journalist and writer of "Dispatch From Paradise" Substack</li><li><a href="https://faculty.txst.edu/profile/1922193" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Joseph Laycock</a>, Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Texas State University</li></ul><p><strong>Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/journal/1962/april/museum/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Junipero Serra Museum</a>&nbsp;(Bill Virden, The Journal of San Diego History via San Diego History Center, 1962)</li><li><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/journal/1997/july/missionrevolt/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Sociopolitical Aspects of the 1775 Revolt at Mission San Diego de Alcala</a>&nbsp;(Richard L. Carrico, The Journal of San Diego History via San Diego History Center, 1997)</li><li><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/p/rumor-has-it" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Rumor Has It</a>&nbsp;(Cora Lee, Dispatch From Paradise Substack, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://theconversation.com/why-are-people-starting-to-believe-in-ufos-again-61717" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Why are people starting to believe in UFOs again?</a>&nbsp;(The Conversation, Joseph Laycock, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/belief-in-ghosts-2021" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Over a third of Americans believe in ghosts and U.F.O's</a>&nbsp;(Ipsos, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14090-9" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Supernatural Belief Is Not Modulated by Intuitive Thinking Style or Cognitive Inhibition</a>&nbsp;(Miguel Farias, Valerie van Mulukom, Guy Kahane, Ute Kreplin, Anna Joyce, Pedro Soares, Lluis Oviedo, Mathilde Hernu, Karolina Rokita, Julian Savulescu and Riikka Möttönen, Scientific Reports, 2017)</li><li><a href="https://orsi.northwestern.edu/publications/history-and-presence-2/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History and Presence</a>&nbsp;(Robert A. Orsi, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://baylorreligionsurvey.research.baylor.edu/sites/g/files/ecbvkj1931/files/2023-09/wave_1_2005_american_piety_in_the_21st_century.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">American Piety In The 21st Century</a>&nbsp;(The Baylor Religion Survey, 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.missionwildlifeconservation.org/story/n?n=people-of-the-forest-orangutans" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">People of the Forest Orangutans</a>&nbsp;(Mission Wildlife)</li><li><a href="https://www.uphs.upenn.edu/pastoral/sites/Hufford_Spiral.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Visionary Spiritual Experiences and Cognitive Aspects of Spiritual Transformation</a>&nbsp;(David J. Hufford, The Global Spiral via Penn Medicine, 2008)</li><li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/12/07/spiritual-beliefs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Spirituality Among Americans</a>&nbsp;(Becka A. Alper, Chip Rotolo, Patricia Tevington and Justin Nortey and Asta Kallo, Pew Research Center, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/law-of-three-stages" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Law of Three Stages</a>&nbsp;(Encyclopedia Britannica)</li><li><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/p/family-business" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Family Business</a>&nbsp;(Cora Lee, Dispatch From Paradise Substack, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-02-27-mn-36696-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Gypsy Clan Facing Test as Psychics: Hearing will be held in San Diego today on difficult-to-prove 'theft by false pretense' charges against Marks family. The group has been active in county since the '40s.</a>&nbsp;(Tony Perry, Los Angeles Times, 1995)</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDPLkeuHpYQ" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">ABC10 News San Diego Investigation into Marks Family</a>&nbsp;(Juliette Var and Michael Gonzalez, 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/articles/ghost-hoax-spiritualism-fox-sisters" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">How a Hoax by Two Sisters Helped Spark the Spiritualism Craze</a>&nbsp;(Becky Little, History.com, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3552602/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Psychical research and the origins of American psychology</a>&nbsp;(Andreas Sommer, History of the Human Sciences via National Library of Medicine, 2012)</li><li><a href="https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Star Gate Project: An Overview</a>&nbsp;(CIA, 1993)</li><li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-arrested-fortune-telling-scheme-duped-victims-60000-officials-say-rcna236829" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">2 arrested in 'fortune telling scheme' that duped victims out of $600,000, officials say</a>&nbsp;(Rebecca Cohen, NBC News, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://online.ucpress.edu/nr/article-abstract/27/2/86/197249/Three-Spirit-MediumsA-Case-Study-on-Grief-Death?redirectedFrom=fulltext" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Three Spirit Mediums: A Case Study on Grief, Death, and Alternative Religious Traditions during the COVID-19 Pandemic</a>&nbsp;(Natasha L. Mikles, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/p/cult-classic" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cult Classic</a>&nbsp;(Cora Lee, Dispatch From Paradise Substack, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-26/heavens-gate-cult-members-found-dead" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Heaven's Gate cult members found dead</a>&nbsp;(History.com, 2010)</li><li><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/unarius-academy-of-science" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Unarius Academy of Science</a>&nbsp;(Atlas Obscura)</li><li><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/lost-continent-lemuria" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Frenzy About the Weirdest Continent That Never Existed</a>&nbsp;(Frank Jacobs, Atlas Obscura, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.salon.com/2014/05/09/the_medias_love_affair_with_accused_sex_criminal_sri_chinmoy/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The media's love affair with alleged sex criminal Sri Chinmoy</a>&nbsp;(Edwin Lyngar, Salon, 2014)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1946/03/the-cults-of-california/655250/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Cults of California</a>&nbsp;(Carey Mcwilliams, The Atlantic, 1946)</li><li>Is it a cult, or a new religious movement? (Tina Rodia, Penn Today, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-24330157" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Twelve Tribes 'child caning punishment' claims</a>&nbsp;(BBC News, 2013)</li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251022172534-TheFinestEpisode23CORALEEMASTERV1EDITED.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="46556666"/><guid isPermaLink="false">ca367590-afa6-11f0-8963-d9219d6322b1</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Dispatch From Paradise"</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> writer Cora Lee went searching for ghosts in Presidio Park, but her exploration of San Diego's supernatural underbelly didn't stop there. She visited San Diego's many mysterious cults in person, meeting members and observing their practices, and explored a long-running family dynasty of fortune tellers that has sometimes drawn law enforcement and media attention. In this Halloween episode, we follow Cora through the city's paranormal scene, from haunted hillsides and psychic shops to the strange and sprawling world of alternative spiritual communities. Along the way, religious studies professor Joseph Laycock helps unpack why belief in ghosts, aliens and spirits persists and what our search for "presence" reveals about being human. It's part spooky story, part San Diego history and part philosophical journey into why some mysteries endure — and why, deep down, we might not want them to end.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong><span class="ql-cursor">﻿</span>Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://coralee.net/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cora Lee</a>, journalist and writer of "Dispatch From Paradise" Substack</li><li><a href="https://faculty.txst.edu/profile/1922193" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Joseph Laycock</a>, Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Texas State University</li></ul><p><strong>Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/journal/1962/april/museum/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Junipero Serra Museum</a> (Bill Virden, The Journal of San Diego History via San Diego History Center, 1962)</li><li><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/journal/1997/july/missionrevolt/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Sociopolitical Aspects of the 1775 Revolt at Mission San Diego de Alcala</a> (Richard L. Carrico, The Journal of San Diego History via San Diego History Center, 1997)</li><li><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/p/rumor-has-it" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Rumor Has It</a> (Cora Lee, Dispatch From Paradise Substack, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://theconversation.com/why-are-people-starting-to-believe-in-ufos-again-61717" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Why are people starting to believe in UFOs again?</a> (The Conversation, Joseph Laycock, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/belief-in-ghosts-2021" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Over a third of Americans believe in ghosts and U.F.O's</a> (Ipsos, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14090-9" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Supernatural Belief Is Not Modulated by Intuitive Thinking Style or Cognitive Inhibition</a> (Miguel Farias, Valerie van Mulukom, Guy Kahane, Ute Kreplin, Anna Joyce, Pedro Soares, Lluis Oviedo, Mathilde Hernu, Karolina Rokita, Julian Savulescu and Riikka Möttönen, Scientific Reports, 2017)</li><li><a href="https://orsi.northwestern.edu/publications/history-and-presence-2/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History and Presence</a> (Robert A. Orsi, The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://baylorreligionsurvey.research.baylor.edu/sites/g/files/ecbvkj1931/files/2023-09/wave_1_2005_american_piety_in_the_21st_century.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">American Piety In The 21st Century</a> (The Baylor Religion Survey, 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.missionwildlifeconservation.org/story/n?n=people-of-the-forest-orangutans" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">People of the Forest Orangutans</a> (Mission Wildlife)</li><li><a href="https://www.uphs.upenn.edu/pastoral/sites/Hufford_Spiral.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Visionary Spiritual Experiences and Cognitive Aspects of Spiritual Transformation</a> (David J. Hufford, The Global Spiral via Penn Medicine, 2008)</li><li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/12/07/spiritual-beliefs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Spirituality Among Americans</a> (Becka A. Alper, Chip Rotolo, Patricia Tevington and Justin Nortey and Asta Kallo, Pew Research Center, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/law-of-three-stages" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Law of Three Stages</a> (Encyclopedia Britannica)</li><li><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/p/family-business" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Family Business</a> (Cora Lee, Dispatch From Paradise Substack, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-02-27-mn-36696-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Gypsy Clan Facing Test as Psychics: Hearing will be held in San Diego today on difficult-to-prove 'theft by false pretense' charges against Marks family. The group has been active in county since the '40s.</a> (Tony Perry, Los Angeles Times, 1995)</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDPLkeuHpYQ" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">ABC10 News San Diego Investigation into Marks Family</a> (Juliette Var and Michael Gonzalez, 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/articles/ghost-hoax-spiritualism-fox-sisters" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">How a Hoax by Two Sisters Helped Spark the Spiritualism Craze</a> (Becky Little, History.com, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3552602/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Psychical research and the origins of American psychology</a> (Andreas Sommer, History of the Human Sciences via National Library of Medicine, 2012)</li><li><a href="https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002800180001-2.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Star Gate Project: An Overview</a> (CIA, 1993)</li><li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-arrested-fortune-telling-scheme-duped-victims-60000-officials-say-rcna236829" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">2 arrested in 'fortune telling scheme' that duped victims out of $600,000, officials say</a> (Rebecca Cohen, NBC News, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://online.ucpress.edu/nr/article-abstract/27/2/86/197249/Three-Spirit-MediumsA-Case-Study-on-Grief-Death?redirectedFrom=fulltext" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Three Spirit Mediums: A Case Study on Grief, Death, and Alternative Religious Traditions during the COVID-19 Pandemic</a> (Natasha L. Mikles, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://goodgirl.substack.com/p/cult-classic" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cult Classic</a> (Cora Lee, Dispatch From Paradise Substack, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-26/heavens-gate-cult-members-found-dead" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Heaven's Gate cult members found dead</a> (History.com, 2010)</li><li><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/unarius-academy-of-science" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Unarius Academy of Science</a> (Atlas Obscura)</li><li><a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/lost-continent-lemuria" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Frenzy About the Weirdest Continent That Never Existed</a> (Frank Jacobs, Atlas Obscura, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.salon.com/2014/05/09/the_medias_love_affair_with_accused_sex_criminal_sri_chinmoy/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The media's love affair with alleged sex criminal Sri Chinmoy</a> (Edwin Lyngar, Salon, 2014)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1946/03/the-cults-of-california/655250/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Cults of California</a> (Carey Mcwilliams, The Atlantic, 1946)</li><li>Is it a cult, or a new religious movement? (Tina Rodia, Penn Today, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-24330157" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Twelve Tribes 'child caning punishment' claims</a> (BBC News, 2013)</li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251022172541-supernatural_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:32:19</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251022172541-supernatural_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Big guitars, bigger feelings: Slacker's San Diego story of growing pains and friendship</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">San Diego's rising rock trio </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/slackerlive/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Slacker</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> helped launch the pilot phase of the new KPBS Music Series with a live performance — loud, joyful and a little chaotic in the best way, but played with real precision and skill. Dressed in button-down shirts and ties, the band tore through their songs on the KPBS patio as the lunchtime crowd cheered. We sat down with the band right after their set to talk about where their music comes from — the friendships (and burritos) that built it and the feelings behind their biggest songs. They also share how they recorded their </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DP2IurGEuxJ/?img_index=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">debut album</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> in a legendary San Diego studio using a bass guitar once played by one of the city's most famous bands. It's a story about finding connection, growing together and turning shared experiences into music that feels personal, powerful and magical.</span></p><p><br></p><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></h3><h3><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Slacker: </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/jp_houle_/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jp Houle</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (singer/guitar), </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/_averynelsonn_/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Avery Nelson</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (bass guitar/backup vocals) and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sammyhock/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Sam Hockaday</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (drums)</span></h3><p><br></p><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/animal/velvet-worm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Velvet worms</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Ancient invertebrates with soft, velvety skin and tiny limbs that shoot slime to catch prey</span></li><li><a href="https://jimmypage.co.uk/biography/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jimmy Page</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Legendary Led Zeppelin guitarist known for his influence on generations of rock musicians</span></li><li><a href="https://bigfishrecording.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Big Fish Recording Studio</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> | Encinitas recording studio where </span><a href="https://www.blink182.com/products/dude-ranch-lp-explicit" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Blink-182</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> made their 1997 breakthrough album "Dude Ranch"</span></li><li><a href="https://www.skydeci.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Skyler Deci</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego producer and engineer who recorded and mixed Slacker's debut album</span></li></ul><p><br></p><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Human Rights Watch, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Israel denies using white phosphorus munitions in Gaza</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Patrick Wintour, The Guardian, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/05/13/npr-tiny-desk-2025-best-san-diego-artists-from-this-years-contest" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tiny desk, big talent: Our favorite San Diego artists from this year's contest </a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">(Julia Dixon Evans, Anthony Wallace, Ben Redlawsk, Brenden Tuccinardi and Katie Anastas, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/tiny-desk-local-listening-party-the-neighborhood-kids-and-aleah-discavage" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tiny Desk local listening party: The Neighborhood Kids and Aleah Discavage</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (</span><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251015165322-TheFinestEpisode22SLACKERMaster.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="33106868"/><guid isPermaLink="false">2232c540-aa22-11f0-86ea-457a811998e5</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">San Diego's rising rock trio </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/slackerlive/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Slacker</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> helped launch the pilot phase of the new KPBS Music Series with a live performance — loud, joyful and a little chaotic in the best way, but played with real precision and skill. Dressed in button-down shirts and ties, the band tore through their songs on the KPBS patio as the lunchtime crowd cheered. We sat down with the band right after their set to talk about where their music comes from — the friendships (and burritos) that built it and the feelings behind their biggest songs. They also share how they recorded their </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DP2IurGEuxJ/?img_index=1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">debut album</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> in a legendary San Diego studio using a bass guitar once played by one of the city's most famous bands. It's a story about finding connection, growing together and turning shared experiences into music that feels personal, powerful and magical.</span></p><p><br></p><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></h3><h3><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Slacker: </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/jp_houle_/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jp Houle</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (singer/guitar), </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/_averynelsonn_/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Avery Nelson</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (bass guitar/backup vocals) and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sammyhock/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Sam Hockaday</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (drums)</span></h3><p><br></p><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/animal/velvet-worm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Velvet worms</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Ancient invertebrates with soft, velvety skin and tiny limbs that shoot slime to catch prey</span></li><li><a href="https://jimmypage.co.uk/biography/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jimmy Page</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Legendary Led Zeppelin guitarist known for his influence on generations of rock musicians</span></li><li><a href="https://bigfishrecording.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Big Fish Recording Studio</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> | Encinitas recording studio where </span><a href="https://www.blink182.com/products/dude-ranch-lp-explicit" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Blink-182</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> made their 1997 breakthrough album "Dude Ranch"</span></li><li><a href="https://www.skydeci.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Skyler Deci</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego producer and engineer who recorded and mixed Slacker's debut album</span></li></ul><p><br></p><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Israel: White Phosphorus Used in Gaza, Lebanon</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Human Rights Watch, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Israel denies using white phosphorus munitions in Gaza</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Patrick Wintour, The Guardian, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/05/13/npr-tiny-desk-2025-best-san-diego-artists-from-this-years-contest" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tiny desk, big talent: Our favorite San Diego artists from this year's contest </a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">(Julia Dixon Evans, Anthony Wallace, Ben Redlawsk, Brenden Tuccinardi and Katie Anastas, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/tiny-desk-local-listening-party-the-neighborhood-kids-and-aleah-discavage" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tiny Desk local listening party: The Neighborhood Kids and Aleah Discavage</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (</span><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251015165329-slacker_1.png"/><itunes:duration>00:22:59</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251015165329-slacker_1.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>By 25, one San Diegan visited every country on Earth — here's what he found</title><description><![CDATA[<p>San Diego's Cameron Mofid set out on an audacious quest: to break the record for being the youngest person to visit every country in the world. His journey took him to 195 nations, from peaceful capitals to conflict zones few dare to enter. Along the way, he faced moments of danger and discovery, including assuming a fake identity in Yemen to navigating a terrorist threat in Somalia and making a buzzer-beater, last-minute entry into North Korea.</p><p>But for Cameron, the record was only part of the story. His travels became a powerful lesson in privilege, perspective and humanity — and inspired him to give back. He launched Humanity Effect, a nonprofit that has built multiple schools in Nigeria. In this episode, Cameron reflects on the risks he took and the barriers he overcame. He shares the truths he discovered about the world, explores what it means to connect across borders and why these lessons matter for all of us.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong></p><ul><li>Cameron Mofid,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/liviahengel/2025/04/24/this-traveler-visited-every-country-by-25---heres-what-he-learned/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">youngest person to travel to all 195 countries in the world</a>, founder of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.humanityeffect.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Humanity Effect</a></li></ul><p><strong>Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/everyone-who-has-ever-been-to-space-charted/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Everyone Who Has Ever Been to Space</a>&nbsp;(Clara Moskowitz and Zane Wolf, Scientific American, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://nomadmania.com/people-who-visited-every-country/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ultimate Report on People Who Visited Every Country in the World</a>&nbsp;(NomadMania, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wzvlz40wpo" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Three Spanish tourists killed in central Afghanistan gun attack 17</a>&nbsp;(Thomas Mackintosh, BBC News, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/al_shabaab.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Counter Terrorism Guide: Terrorist Groups, Al-Shabaab</a>&nbsp;(Office of the Director of National Intelligence)</li><li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/12/06/international-travel/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Attitudes on an Interconnected World, International travel</a>&nbsp;(Richard Wike, Janell Fetterolf, Moira Fagan and Sneha Gubbala, Pew Research Center, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167210367786" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">When in Rome ... Learn Why the Romans Do What They Do: How Multicultural Learning Experiences Facilitate Creativity</a>&nbsp;(William W. Maddux, Hajo Adam and Adam D. Galinsky, Sage Journals, 2010)</li><li><a href="https://hbr.org/2018/01/the-mental-benefits-of-vacationing-somewhere-new" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Mental Benefits of Vacationing Somewhere New</a>&nbsp;(Todd B. Kashdan, Harvard Business Review, 2018)</li><li><a href="https://ideas.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Pettigrew-Tropp.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">A Meta-Analytic Test of Intergroup Contact Theory</a>&nbsp;(Thomas F. Pettigrew and Linda R. Tropp, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2005)</li><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0147176722000281" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Maybe we did not learn that much academically, but we learn more from experience" – Erasmus mobility and its potential for transformative learning</a>&nbsp;(Cosmin I. Nada and Justyna Legutko, International Journal of Intercultural Relations, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-empathy/202210/pack-your-bags-and-travel-its-good-for-you" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pack Your Bags and Travel: It's Good for You</a>&nbsp;(Elizabeth A. Segal, Ph.D., Psychology Today 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/12/06/americans-who-have-traveled-internationally-stand-out-in-their-views-and-knowledge-of-foreign-affairs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Americans who have traveled internationally stand out in their views and knowledge of foreign affairs</a>&nbsp;(Richard Wike and Janell Fetterolf, Pew Research Center, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://nomadmania.com/minimal-visit/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What is a Visit. Minimal Requirements according to NomadMania Rules</a>&nbsp;(NomadMania, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://nomadmania.com/travel-lists/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">NomadMania Travel Lists</a></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-newest-country-in-the-world" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What Is the Newest Country in the World?</a>&nbsp;(Amy McKenna, Encyclopedia Britannica, 2011)</li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/politics/venezuelan-opposition-embassy-us-closes" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Venezuelan embassy run by opposition in US closes after Guaido ouster</a>&nbsp;(Jennifer Hansler, CNN, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/taliban-afghanistan" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Taliban in Afghanistan</a>&nbsp;(Lindsay Maizland, Council on Foreign Relations, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-halts-foreign-tourism-weeks-reopening-western-visitors-rcna195065" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">North Korea halts foreign tourism weeks after reopening to Western visitors</a>&nbsp;(Peter Guo, NBC News, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/makoko-venice-lagos/241671/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Makoko: 'Venice of Lagos'</a>&nbsp;(Olamide Udoma, Smart Cities Dive)</li><li><a href="https://www.nba.com/mavs/kaicommunity" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Chime Community Spotlight: Kyrie Irving recognized for civic contributions</a>&nbsp;(Tamara Jolee, NBA, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-pyongyang-marathon-first-time-covid-pandemic/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">North Korea holds first Pyongyang International Marathon since borders were sealed during COVID pandemic</a>&nbsp;(Anhelina Shamlii, CBS News, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/articles/us-overthrow-foreign-governments" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">10 Times America Helped Overthrow a Foreign Government</a>&nbsp;(Becky Little,&nbsp;<a href="http://history.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History.com</a>, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://upf.com/book.asp?id=9780813012506" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Hostile Acts U.S. Policy in Costa Rica in the 1980s</a>&nbsp;(Martha Honey, 1994)</li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251008173523-THEFINESTEPISODE21WORLDTRAVELERMASTERV1.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="47660058"/><guid isPermaLink="false">d77ca0f0-a4a7-11f0-bc17-d9491a7cc4f1</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Diego's Cameron Mofid set out on an audacious quest: to break the record for being the youngest person to visit every country in the world. His journey took him to 195 nations, from peaceful capitals to conflict zones few dare to enter. Along the way, he faced moments of danger and discovery, including assuming a fake identity in Yemen to navigating a terrorist threat in Somalia and making a buzzer-beater, last-minute entry into North Korea.</p><p>But for Cameron, the record was only part of the story. His travels became a powerful lesson in privilege, perspective and humanity — and inspired him to give back. He launched Humanity Effect, a nonprofit that has built multiple schools in Nigeria. In this episode, Cameron reflects on the risks he took and the barriers he overcame. He shares the truths he discovered about the world, explores what it means to connect across borders and why these lessons matter for all of us.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong></p><ul><li>Cameron Mofid, <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/liviahengel/2025/04/24/this-traveler-visited-every-country-by-25---heres-what-he-learned/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">youngest person to travel to all 195 countries in the world</a>, founder of <a href="https://www.humanityeffect.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Humanity Effect</a></li></ul><p><strong>Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/everyone-who-has-ever-been-to-space-charted/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Everyone Who Has Ever Been to Space</a> (Clara Moskowitz and Zane Wolf, Scientific American, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://nomadmania.com/people-who-visited-every-country/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ultimate Report on People Who Visited Every Country in the World</a> (NomadMania, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wzvlz40wpo" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Three Spanish tourists killed in central Afghanistan gun attack 17</a> (Thomas Mackintosh, BBC News, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/al_shabaab.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Counter Terrorism Guide: Terrorist Groups, Al-Shabaab</a> (Office of the Director of National Intelligence)</li><li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/12/06/international-travel/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Attitudes on an Interconnected World, International travel</a> (Richard Wike, Janell Fetterolf, Moira Fagan and Sneha Gubbala, Pew Research Center, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167210367786" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">When in Rome ... Learn Why the Romans Do What They Do: How Multicultural Learning Experiences Facilitate Creativity</a> (William W. Maddux, Hajo Adam and Adam D. Galinsky, Sage Journals, 2010)</li><li><a href="https://hbr.org/2018/01/the-mental-benefits-of-vacationing-somewhere-new" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Mental Benefits of Vacationing Somewhere New</a> (Todd B. Kashdan, Harvard Business Review, 2018)</li><li><a href="https://ideas.wharton.upenn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Pettigrew-Tropp.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">A Meta-Analytic Test of Intergroup Contact Theory</a> (Thomas F. Pettigrew and Linda R. Tropp, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2005)</li><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0147176722000281" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Maybe we did not learn that much academically, but we learn more from experience" – Erasmus mobility and its potential for transformative learning</a> (Cosmin I. Nada and Justyna Legutko, International Journal of Intercultural Relations, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-empathy/202210/pack-your-bags-and-travel-its-good-for-you" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pack Your Bags and Travel: It's Good for You</a> (Elizabeth A. Segal, Ph.D., Psychology Today 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/12/06/americans-who-have-traveled-internationally-stand-out-in-their-views-and-knowledge-of-foreign-affairs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Americans who have traveled internationally stand out in their views and knowledge of foreign affairs</a> (Richard Wike and Janell Fetterolf, Pew Research Center, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://nomadmania.com/minimal-visit/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What is a Visit. Minimal Requirements according to NomadMania Rules</a> (NomadMania, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://nomadmania.com/travel-lists/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">NomadMania Travel Lists</a></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-the-newest-country-in-the-world" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What Is the Newest Country in the World?</a> (Amy McKenna, Encyclopedia Britannica, 2011)</li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/politics/venezuelan-opposition-embassy-us-closes" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Venezuelan embassy run by opposition in US closes after Guaido ouster</a> (Jennifer Hansler, CNN, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/taliban-afghanistan" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Taliban in Afghanistan</a> (Lindsay Maizland, Council on Foreign Relations, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-halts-foreign-tourism-weeks-reopening-western-visitors-rcna195065" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">North Korea halts foreign tourism weeks after reopening to Western visitors</a> (Peter Guo, NBC News, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/makoko-venice-lagos/241671/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Makoko: 'Venice of Lagos'</a> (Olamide Udoma, Smart Cities Dive)</li><li><a href="https://www.nba.com/mavs/kaicommunity" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Chime Community Spotlight: Kyrie Irving recognized for civic contributions</a> (Tamara Jolee, NBA, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-pyongyang-marathon-first-time-covid-pandemic/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">North Korea holds first Pyongyang International Marathon since borders were sealed during COVID pandemic</a> (Anhelina Shamlii, CBS News, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/articles/us-overthrow-foreign-governments" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">10 Times America Helped Overthrow a Foreign Government</a> (Becky Little, <a href="http://history.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History.com</a>, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://upf.com/book.asp?id=9780813012506" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Hostile Acts U.S. Policy in Costa Rica in the 1980s</a> (Martha Honey, 1994)</li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251008173532-traveler_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:33:05</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20251008173532-traveler_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Bonus: Soup dumplings, hidden trails, enemies-to-lovers and a viral clip — reflections from The Finest</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For our 20th episode, The Finest team reflects on our season so far — the episodes that made the biggest impact, what still lingers with us months later and a taste of the gems left on the cutting-room floor. From Our Lady of Guadalupe to birding and romantasy books, we revisit comments from fans (and critics) and how these stories continue to resonate. Julia and Anthony also share a quick list of our favorite things in San Diego right now, from soup dumplings to hidden trails. Plus, we call up one of our first guests, indie musician Julianna Zachariou, to reflect on her experience over the past six months after a clip of our interview went viral on social media. What does it mean when a million people hear a piece of your story?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">" I had never had anything with that much reach. It felt necessary and helpful, and a lot of people found it to be helpful," Julianna said. "I also wish that the thing that had taken off was something I had made and not how much I had made off of a thing that I had made."&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In this episode, we dig deeper into some of the stories we've shared recently, explore how listeners have reacted and take a behind-the-scenes look with The Finest crew. </span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/juliannazachariou" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Julianna Zachariou</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, indie musician</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Our current favorite San Diego things:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.bestbudfloral.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Best Bud Floral</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://home-ec.co/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Home Ec</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.gov/pools/bud-kearns-memorial-pool" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Bud Kearns Memorial Pool</a></li><li><a href="https://aergelato.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">An's Electronics Repair</a></li><li><a href="https://www.tastynoodlehouse.us/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Tasty Noodle House</a></li><li><a href="https://www.sdparks.org/content/sdparks/en/park-pages/LosPenasquitos.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Los Peñasquitos Canyon Preserve</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://yipao-coffee.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Yipao Coffee Roasters</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">The Finest episodes discussed:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Spotify is changing, so one indie artist is advocating for fairness in a stream-heavy world</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode featuring Julianna Zachariou, journalist Liz Pelly and a deep dive into the economics of streaming</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Making it in music: How do you create a local music scene in a 'superstar economy'?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode featuring musician Shua and a look at building a local music scene in a superstar economy</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/romantasy-rising-how-a-dismissed-book-genre-became-a-publishing-powerhouse" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy rising: How a dismissed book genre became a publishing powerhouse</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode exploring the incredible growth of the romantasy genre</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/worn-painted-reimagined-the-power-and-complexity-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Worn, painted, reimagined: The power and complexity of Our Lady of Guadalupe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode about the Virgin of Guadalupe in textile art and culture</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/chasing-100-birds-in-1-day-in-americas-birdiest-county-inside-the-birding-boom" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Chasing 100 birds in 1 day in America's Birdiest County: Inside the birding boom</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode exploring San Diego's rich birding culture and the fascinating world of competitive birding</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJX4xGttymF/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">KPBS reel</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | For indie musicians like Julianna Zachariou, Spotify has made music more accessible than ever — but at a cost</span></li><li><a href="https://www.spotify.com/us/legal/end-user-agreement/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Spotify's Terms of Use</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Recently updated artist agreement terms outlining how music on the platform can be used to train AI models</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"Dreamer, Dreamer" | New single by Julianna Zachariou, first debuted on an </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">episode</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> of The Finest</span></li><li><a href="https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/art-books-music/a65161402/dramione-draco-hermione-harry-potter-fan-fiction-explained/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dramione</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A Harry Potter sub-fandom imagining an "enemies-to-lovers" relationship between Draco Malfoy and Hermione Granger</span></li><li><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/media/seattle-university/directory/faculty-amp-staff-directory/files/Jeanette-Rodriguez-CV-2019.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Jeanette Rodriguez, PhD</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Professor of Theology at </span><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/directory/profiles/jeanette-rodriguez-phd.php" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Seattle University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/717452/the-backyard-bird-chronicles-by-amy-tan/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"The Backyard Bird Chronicles"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Memoir by Amy Tan exploring her obsession with birding and sketching</span></li><li><a href="https://ebird.org/home" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">eBird</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> | Popular birding app for logging sightings, finding locations and tracking regional trends</span></li><li><a href="https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Merlin Bird ID</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> | Go-to app for birders to identify species by photo or sound, powered by Cornell Lab experts</span></li></ul><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alchemised-movie-book-harry-potter-1236366912/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Big Deal: Legendary Pays 7 Figures for 'Alchemised,' Book That Began Life as 'Harry Potter' Fan Fiction</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Borys Kit, The Hollywood Reporter, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://musictechpolicy.com/2025/09/02/ai-implications-of-spotifys-updated-terms-of-use-your-data-is-their-new-oil/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">AI Implications of Spotify's Updated Terms of Use: Your Data is Their New Oil</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Chris Castle, Music Technology Policy Blog, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/02/27/amy-tan-interview-birding-the-backyard-bird-chronicles-memoir-nature-journal" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Amy Tan finds obsession, connection and endless curiosity in birding</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/05/31/the-shock-of-a-patron-saint-impugned/8c8a206a-7e7c-491b-a36f-a5dfc03b3638/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Shock of a Patron Saint Impugned</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (John Ward Anderson, The Washington Post, 1996)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250924175846-TheFinestEpisode20TEAMTALKS2MASTERV1.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="46015264"/><guid isPermaLink="false">ca221910-99aa-11f0-b3ce-97fa1b13dd67</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For our 20th episode, The Finest team reflects on our season so far — the episodes that made the biggest impact, what still lingers with us months later and a taste of the gems left on the cutting-room floor. From Our Lady of Guadalupe to birding and romantasy books, we revisit comments from fans (and critics) and how these stories continue to resonate. Julia and Anthony also share a quick list of our favorite things in San Diego right now, from soup dumplings to hidden trails. Plus, we call up one of our first guests, indie musician Julianna Zachariou, to reflect on her experience over the past six months after a clip of our interview went viral on social media. What does it mean when a million people hear a piece of your story?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">" I had never had anything with that much reach. It felt necessary and helpful, and a lot of people found it to be helpful," Julianna said. "I also wish that the thing that had taken off was something I had made and not how much I had made off of a thing that I had made." </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In this episode, we dig deeper into some of the stories we've shared recently, explore how listeners have reacted and take a behind-the-scenes look with The Finest crew. </span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/juliannazachariou" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Julianna Zachariou</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, indie musician</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Our current favorite San Diego things:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.bestbudfloral.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Best Bud Floral</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://home-ec.co/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Home Ec</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.gov/pools/bud-kearns-memorial-pool" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Bud Kearns Memorial Pool</a></li><li><a href="https://aergelato.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">An's Electronics Repair</a></li><li><a href="https://www.tastynoodlehouse.us/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Tasty Noodle House</a></li><li><a href="https://www.sdparks.org/content/sdparks/en/park-pages/LosPenasquitos.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Los Peñasquitos Canyon Preserve</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://yipao-coffee.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Yipao Coffee Roasters</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">The Finest episodes discussed:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Spotify is changing, so one indie artist is advocating for fairness in a stream-heavy world</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode featuring Julianna Zachariou, journalist Liz Pelly and a deep dive into the economics of streaming</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Making it in music: How do you create a local music scene in a 'superstar economy'?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode featuring musician Shua and a look at building a local music scene in a superstar economy</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/romantasy-rising-how-a-dismissed-book-genre-became-a-publishing-powerhouse" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy rising: How a dismissed book genre became a publishing powerhouse</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode exploring the incredible growth of the romantasy genre</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/worn-painted-reimagined-the-power-and-complexity-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Worn, painted, reimagined: The power and complexity of Our Lady of Guadalupe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode about the Virgin of Guadalupe in textile art and culture</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/chasing-100-birds-in-1-day-in-americas-birdiest-county-inside-the-birding-boom" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Chasing 100 birds in 1 day in America's Birdiest County: Inside the birding boom</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> — Episode exploring San Diego's rich birding culture and the fascinating world of competitive birding</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJX4xGttymF/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">KPBS reel</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | For indie musicians like Julianna Zachariou, Spotify has made music more accessible than ever — but at a cost</span></li><li><a href="https://www.spotify.com/us/legal/end-user-agreement/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Spotify's Terms of Use</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Recently updated artist agreement terms outlining how music on the platform can be used to train AI models</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"Dreamer, Dreamer" | New single by Julianna Zachariou, first debuted on an </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">episode</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> of The Finest</span></li><li><a href="https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/art-books-music/a65161402/dramione-draco-hermione-harry-potter-fan-fiction-explained/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dramione</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A Harry Potter sub-fandom imagining an "enemies-to-lovers" relationship between Draco Malfoy and Hermione Granger</span></li><li><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/media/seattle-university/directory/faculty-amp-staff-directory/files/Jeanette-Rodriguez-CV-2019.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Jeanette Rodriguez, PhD</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Professor of Theology at </span><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/directory/profiles/jeanette-rodriguez-phd.php" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Seattle University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/717452/the-backyard-bird-chronicles-by-amy-tan/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"The Backyard Bird Chronicles"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Memoir by Amy Tan exploring her obsession with birding and sketching</span></li><li><a href="https://ebird.org/home" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">eBird</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> | Popular birding app for logging sightings, finding locations and tracking regional trends</span></li><li><a href="https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Merlin Bird ID</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> | Go-to app for birders to identify species by photo or sound, powered by Cornell Lab experts</span></li></ul><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alchemised-movie-book-harry-potter-1236366912/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Big Deal: Legendary Pays 7 Figures for 'Alchemised,' Book That Began Life as 'Harry Potter' Fan Fiction</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Borys Kit, The Hollywood Reporter, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://musictechpolicy.com/2025/09/02/ai-implications-of-spotifys-updated-terms-of-use-your-data-is-their-new-oil/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">AI Implications of Spotify's Updated Terms of Use: Your Data is Their New Oil</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Chris Castle, Music Technology Policy Blog, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/02/27/amy-tan-interview-birding-the-backyard-bird-chronicles-memoir-nature-journal" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Amy Tan finds obsession, connection and endless curiosity in birding</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/05/31/the-shock-of-a-patron-saint-impugned/8c8a206a-7e7c-491b-a36f-a5dfc03b3638/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Shock of a Patron Saint Impugned</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (John Ward Anderson, The Washington Post, 1996)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250924175600-teamtalk2_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:31:57</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250924175600-teamtalk2_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>More than a menu: How Mabel's Gone Fishing became a San Diego gathering place</title><description><![CDATA[<p>Mabel’s Gone Fishing is more than a seafood restaurant in North Park — it’s a Michelin Bib Gourmand honoree that quickly became part of the neighborhood’s cultural fabric. We meet owner Chelsea Coleman, whose family history includes longtime Padres announcer Jerry Coleman and a KPBS love story. Together with her team, she has built a space that blends local ingredients, Spanish and Portuguese flavors and community-driven art into an experience rooted in San Diego. From honoring family traditions of scratch cooking to curating the Fishbowl gallery next door, Mabel’s shows how food, art and neighborhood spirit can come together to create something remarkable.</p><p><strong>Guests:</strong></p><ul><li>Chelsea Coleman, proprietress of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mabelsgonefishing.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mabel's Gone Fishing</a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.therosewinebar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Rose Wine Bar</a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.secretsistersouthpark.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Secret Sister Sourdough Bakery + Tea House</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DN11N3iUnrQ/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fishbowl</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ratt__trap/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Alejandra Frank</a>, independent art curator</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegowineclassic.com/our-talent/tanner-stanich/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tanner Stanich</a>, head chef of Mabel's Gone Fishing</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/video/a-tribute-to-jerry-coleman-c31292159" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jerry Coleman</a>&nbsp;| Chelsea Coleman's dad, longtime Padres broadcaster and former manager</li><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/player/tony-gwynn-115270" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tony Gwynn</a>&nbsp;| Hall of Fame outfielder, "Mr. Padre" and one of the greatest hitters in baseball history</li><li><a href="https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/bruce-bochy/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Brucy Bochy</a>&nbsp;| Former Padres manager who went on to win three World Series championships with the San Francisco Giants</li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131216224854/http://thelinkery.com/blog/farewell-fortnight-at-the-linkery/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Linkery</a>&nbsp;| A pioneering farm-to-table restaurant in North Park that closed in 2014</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/pds/mscp/docs/Biodiversity/handoutvegcomm3.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Chaparral</a>&nbsp;| A native Southern California plant community that shapes San Diego's landscape and ecology&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://www.breadandsaltsandiego.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Bread &amp; Salt</a>&nbsp;| Contemporary art gallery in Logan Heights housed in a former bread factory</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegowineclassic.com/our-talent/scott-grewe/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Scott Grewe</a>&nbsp;| Culinary Director at Mabel's Gone Fishing&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/davidpleon86/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">David Leon</a>&nbsp;| Chef at Michelin-starred Lilo in Carlsbad</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/faunarestaurante/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fauna</a>&nbsp;| Modern Baja cuisine restaurant in Valle de Guadalupe, named Best in Mexico by Latin America’s 50 Best Restaurants in 2023</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/shanesseafoods/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shane Volberding</a>&nbsp;| San Diego commercial fisherman, educator and advocate for local, sustainable seafood</li></ul><p><strong>San Diego's Michelin-honored restaurants:</strong></p><ol><li><a href="https://www.granddelmar.com/dine/addison/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Addison</a>, Carmel Valley | Contemporary | 3 Stars</li><li><a href="https://www.atelier-manna.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Atelier Manna</a>, Encinitas | Californian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.calliesd.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Callie</a>, East Village | Mediterranean | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://cesarinarestaurant.com/welcome-to-cesarina/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cesarina</a>, Point Loma | Italian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://cicciasandiego.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ciccia Osteria</a>, Barrio Logan | Italian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.urbankitchengroup.com/cucina-urbana-bankers-hill/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cucina Urbana</a>, Bankers Hill | Italian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://dijamara.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Dija Mara</a>, Oceanside | Indonesian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.jeune-jolie.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jeune et Jolie</a>, Carlsbad | French | Star</li><li><a href="https://www.restaurantlilo.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Lilo</a>, Carlsbad | Californian | Star</li><li><a href="https://lola55.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">LOLA 55</a>, East Village | Mexican | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/mabelsgonefishing" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mabel's Gone Fishing</a>, North Park | Seafood | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://morningglorybreakfast.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Morning Glory</a>, Little Italy | American | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.soichisushi.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Soichi</a>, University Heights | Japanese | Star</li><li><a href="https://www.valleoceanside.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Valle</a>, Oceanside | Mexican | Star</li></ol><p><strong>Sources:&nbsp;</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/article/features/what-is-a-michelin-star" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What is a Michelin Star?</a>&nbsp;(Michelin Guide, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/article/features/the-bib-gourmand" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What Is The MICHELIN Bib Gourmand Award?</a><strong>&nbsp;</strong>(Michelin Guide, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/1998-world-series-recap" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">1998 World Series recap</a>&nbsp;(<a href="http://mlb.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">MLB.com</a>, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/deh/fhd/food/food.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego County Food Program</a>&nbsp;(<a href="http://sandiegocounty.gov/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">SanDiegoCounty.gov</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/from-tv-auctions-to-social-media-bidding-how-the-live-shopping-thrill-lives-on" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">From TV auctions to social media bidding: How the live shopping thrill lives on</a>&nbsp;(Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, The Finest, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://getlocalfish.com/selling-tuna-to-chefs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Selling Bluefin Tuna to Chefs</a>&nbsp;(The Local Fish Project, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://caseagrant.ucsd.edu/news/ca-sea-grant-informs-new-law-permit-fishermens-markets" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);"><u>CA Sea Grant informs new law to permit Fishermen’s Markets</u></a>&nbsp;(Deborah Seiler, California Sea Grant, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/04/17/north-park-mabels-gone-painting-pairs-local-art-with-michelin-recognized-dining" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">North Park's 'Mabel's Gone Painting' pairs local art with Michelin-recognized dining</a>&nbsp;(Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)</li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250917161551-THEFINESTEpisode19MabelMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="37013233"/><guid isPermaLink="false">40e70120-941c-11f0-8c63-eb9e3601eb54</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mabel’s Gone Fishing is more than a seafood restaurant in North Park — it’s a Michelin Bib Gourmand honoree that quickly became part of the neighborhood’s cultural fabric. We meet owner Chelsea Coleman, whose family history includes longtime Padres announcer Jerry Coleman and a KPBS love story. Together with her team, she has built a space that blends local ingredients, Spanish and Portuguese flavors and community-driven art into an experience rooted in San Diego. From honoring family traditions of scratch cooking to curating the Fishbowl gallery next door, Mabel’s shows how food, art and neighborhood spirit can come together to create something remarkable.</p><p><strong>Guests:</strong></p><ul><li>Chelsea Coleman, proprietress of <a href="https://www.mabelsgonefishing.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mabel's Gone Fishing</a>, <a href="https://www.therosewinebar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Rose Wine Bar</a>, <a href="https://www.secretsistersouthpark.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Secret Sister Sourdough Bakery + Tea House</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DN11N3iUnrQ/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fishbowl</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ratt__trap/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Alejandra Frank</a>, independent art curator</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegowineclassic.com/our-talent/tanner-stanich/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tanner Stanich</a>, head chef of Mabel's Gone Fishing</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/video/a-tribute-to-jerry-coleman-c31292159" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jerry Coleman</a> | Chelsea Coleman's dad, longtime Padres broadcaster and former manager</li><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/player/tony-gwynn-115270" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tony Gwynn</a> | Hall of Fame outfielder, "Mr. Padre" and one of the greatest hitters in baseball history</li><li><a href="https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/bruce-bochy/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Brucy Bochy</a> | Former Padres manager who went on to win three World Series championships with the San Francisco Giants</li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20131216224854/http://thelinkery.com/blog/farewell-fortnight-at-the-linkery/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Linkery</a> | A pioneering farm-to-table restaurant in North Park that closed in 2014</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/pds/mscp/docs/Biodiversity/handoutvegcomm3.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Chaparral</a> | A native Southern California plant community that shapes San Diego's landscape and ecology </li><li><a href="https://www.breadandsaltsandiego.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Bread &amp; Salt</a> | Contemporary art gallery in Logan Heights housed in a former bread factory</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegowineclassic.com/our-talent/scott-grewe/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Scott Grewe</a> | Culinary Director at Mabel's Gone Fishing </li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/davidpleon86/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">David Leon</a> | Chef at Michelin-starred Lilo in Carlsbad</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/faunarestaurante/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fauna</a> | Modern Baja cuisine restaurant in Valle de Guadalupe, named Best in Mexico by Latin America’s 50 Best Restaurants in 2023</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/shanesseafoods/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shane Volberding</a> | San Diego commercial fisherman, educator and advocate for local, sustainable seafood</li></ul><p><strong>San Diego's Michelin-honored restaurants:</strong></p><ol><li><a href="https://www.granddelmar.com/dine/addison/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Addison</a>, Carmel Valley | Contemporary | 3 Stars</li><li><a href="https://www.atelier-manna.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Atelier Manna</a>, Encinitas | Californian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.calliesd.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Callie</a>, East Village | Mediterranean | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://cesarinarestaurant.com/welcome-to-cesarina/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cesarina</a>, Point Loma | Italian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://cicciasandiego.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ciccia Osteria</a>, Barrio Logan | Italian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.urbankitchengroup.com/cucina-urbana-bankers-hill/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Cucina Urbana</a>, Bankers Hill | Italian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://dijamara.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Dija Mara</a>, Oceanside | Indonesian | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.jeune-jolie.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jeune et Jolie</a>, Carlsbad | French | Star</li><li><a href="https://www.restaurantlilo.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Lilo</a>, Carlsbad | Californian | Star</li><li><a href="https://lola55.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">LOLA 55</a>, East Village | Mexican | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/mabelsgonefishing" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mabel's Gone Fishing</a>, North Park | Seafood | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://morningglorybreakfast.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Morning Glory</a>, Little Italy | American | Bib Gourmand</li><li><a href="https://www.soichisushi.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Soichi</a>, University Heights | Japanese | Star</li><li><a href="https://www.valleoceanside.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Valle</a>, Oceanside | Mexican | Star</li></ol><p><strong>Sources: </strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/article/features/what-is-a-michelin-star" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What is a Michelin Star?</a> (Michelin Guide, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/article/features/the-bib-gourmand" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">What Is The MICHELIN Bib Gourmand Award?</a><strong> </strong>(Michelin Guide, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/news/1998-world-series-recap" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">1998 World Series recap</a> (<a href="http://mlb.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">MLB.com</a>, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/deh/fhd/food/food.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego County Food Program</a> (<a href="http://sandiegocounty.gov/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">SanDiegoCounty.gov</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/from-tv-auctions-to-social-media-bidding-how-the-live-shopping-thrill-lives-on" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">From TV auctions to social media bidding: How the live shopping thrill lives on</a> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, The Finest, 2025)</li><li><a href="https://getlocalfish.com/selling-tuna-to-chefs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Selling Bluefin Tuna to Chefs</a> (The Local Fish Project, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://caseagrant.ucsd.edu/news/ca-sea-grant-informs-new-law-permit-fishermens-markets" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);"><u>CA Sea Grant informs new law to permit Fishermen’s Markets</u></a> (Deborah Seiler, California Sea Grant, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/04/17/north-park-mabels-gone-painting-pairs-local-art-with-michelin-recognized-dining" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">North Park's 'Mabel's Gone Painting' pairs local art with Michelin-recognized dining</a> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)</li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250917161558-mabels_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:25:41</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250917161558-mabels_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>From TV auctions to social media bidding: How the live shopping thrill lives on</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">What happens when a TV station pauses its regular programming to auction off everything from kitchen utensils and European vacations to toilet seats and rare art — with guests like Big Bird and Dick Van Dyke dropping by? In San Diego, those broadcasts became unforgettable. This episode dives into the history of the KPBS auction — a weeklong fundraising marathon that energized the community for more than a decade. We hear from longtime KPBS figures </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/staff/tom-karlo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tom Karlo</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> and </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/staff/ken-kramer" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ken Kramer</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, revisit archival footage and meet McKenna Hartman, whose father, Paul, guest-hosted auctions in San Diego and at other PBS stations, and still lights up recalling them, even as he faces dementia. The auctions weren't just about bargains. They built community, launched careers and left behind lasting memories. Now, live auctions are remerging on platforms like Whatnot. San Diego jewelry seller </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/baronsarmoire/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Angela McDuffie</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> shows how the exciting bidding experience — and the connections it creates — remain as alive as ever.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tom Karlo, KPBS general manager emeritus, 2009-2020</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Ken Kramer, creator and host of </span><a href="https://www.pbs.org/show/ken-kramers-about-san-diego/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Ken Kramer's About San Diego"</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">McKenna Hartman, daughter of Paul E. Hartman, retired PBS and NPR on-air personality</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Angela McDuffie, owner of </span><a href="https://www.whatnot.com/user/baronsarmoire" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Baron's Armoire</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, a San Diego vintage and antique business specializing in jewelry and trinkets</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://projects.kpbs.org/2025/kpbs-65th-birthday" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">KPBS: 65 Years in San Diego&nbsp;</a></li><li><a href="https://tuckercarlson.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tucker Carlson</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, television commentator and political analyst&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kennedy-center.org/artists/b/bo-bz/carol-burnett/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Carol Burnett</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, comedian and star of "The Carol Burnett Show"</span></li><li><a href="https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/jerry-coleman/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jerry Coleman</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, San Diego Padres broadcaster and Hall of Fame second baseman</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wnet/pioneers-of-television/pioneering-people/dick-van-dyke/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Dick Van Dyke</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Emmy-winning actor known for "The Dick Van Dyke Show" and "Mary Poppins"</span></li><li><a href="https://www.televisionacademy.com/bios/david-ogden-stiers" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">David Ogden Stiers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, actor best known for "M*A*S*H"</span></li><li><a href="https://www.whatnot.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Whatnot</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, an online platform for independent livestreamed auctions launched in 2019</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/cameo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Cameo jewelry</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, antique carved or engraved gems, often featuring a raised depiction of a face or bust in relief on a pendant or brooch</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/cloisonne" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Cloisonné</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, a jewelry and decorative art style where metal outlines are filled with colorful enamel, creating bright, detailed designs</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/health/fidget-spinners-what-is-trnd" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Fidget spinner</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, handheld toy that spins between the fingers, popular in the late 2010s as a fad and a stress reliever</span></li><li><a href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/8550811-Epigrams-by-Edwin-Markham" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Outwitted"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> poem by Edwin Markham</span></li></ul><p>				<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"He drew a circle that shut me out–</span></p><p>					<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.</span></p><p>				<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But love and I had the wit to win:</span></p><p>					<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We drew a circle and took him in!"</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ranchandcoast.com/explore/history-of-kpbs/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Revisiting KPBS-TV: An In-Depth Look at its First Quarter Century</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Darlene G. Davies, Ranch and Coast, 2019)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/stages-and-symptoms/dementia-symptoms/why-person-with-dementia-might-be-walking-about" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Time-shifting and dementia</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alzheimer's Society, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://fortune.com/2025/06/16/whatnot-startup-5-billion-dollar-livestream-video-shopping-app-auctions-sports-trade-card-breaks-ebay/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Inside the rise of Whatnot, the wildly-entertaining, FOMO-inducing, $5 billion shopping app you've never heard of</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jason Del Rey, Fortune, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://research.contrary.com/company/whatnot" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Whatnot</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Contrary Research, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/kpbs/2010/05/07/talkin-auction" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Talkin' Auction</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ken Kramer, KPBS, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/kpbs/2010/07/22/everything-went" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Everything Went</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Gloria Penner, KPBS, 2010)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250910174014-TheFinestEpisode18AuctionsMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="47212701"/><guid isPermaLink="false">e1d9f5c0-8ea7-11f0-a797-f7198ba66afc</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">What happens when a TV station pauses its regular programming to auction off everything from kitchen utensils and European vacations to toilet seats and rare art — with guests like Big Bird and Dick Van Dyke dropping by? In San Diego, those broadcasts became unforgettable. This episode dives into the history of the KPBS auction — a weeklong fundraising marathon that energized the community for more than a decade. We hear from longtime KPBS figures </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/staff/tom-karlo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tom Karlo</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> and </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/staff/ken-kramer" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Ken Kramer</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, revisit archival footage and meet McKenna Hartman, whose father, Paul, guest-hosted auctions in San Diego and at other PBS stations, and still lights up recalling them, even as he faces dementia. The auctions weren't just about bargains. They built community, launched careers and left behind lasting memories. Now, live auctions are remerging on platforms like Whatnot. San Diego jewelry seller </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/baronsarmoire/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Angela McDuffie</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> shows how the exciting bidding experience — and the connections it creates — remain as alive as ever.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tom Karlo, KPBS general manager emeritus, 2009-2020</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Ken Kramer, creator and host of </span><a href="https://www.pbs.org/show/ken-kramers-about-san-diego/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Ken Kramer's About San Diego"</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">McKenna Hartman, daughter of Paul E. Hartman, retired PBS and NPR on-air personality</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Angela McDuffie, owner of </span><a href="https://www.whatnot.com/user/baronsarmoire" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Baron's Armoire</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, a San Diego vintage and antique business specializing in jewelry and trinkets</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://projects.kpbs.org/2025/kpbs-65th-birthday" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">KPBS: 65 Years in San Diego </a></li><li><a href="https://tuckercarlson.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tucker Carlson</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, television commentator and political analyst </span></li><li><a href="https://www.kennedy-center.org/artists/b/bo-bz/carol-burnett/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Carol Burnett</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, comedian and star of "The Carol Burnett Show"</span></li><li><a href="https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/jerry-coleman/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Jerry Coleman</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, San Diego Padres broadcaster and Hall of Fame second baseman</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wnet/pioneers-of-television/pioneering-people/dick-van-dyke/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Dick Van Dyke</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Emmy-winning actor known for "The Dick Van Dyke Show" and "Mary Poppins"</span></li><li><a href="https://www.televisionacademy.com/bios/david-ogden-stiers" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">David Ogden Stiers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, actor best known for "M*A*S*H"</span></li><li><a href="https://www.whatnot.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Whatnot</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, an online platform for independent livestreamed auctions launched in 2019</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/cameo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Cameo jewelry</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, antique carved or engraved gems, often featuring a raised depiction of a face or bust in relief on a pendant or brooch</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/cloisonne" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Cloisonné</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, a jewelry and decorative art style where metal outlines are filled with colorful enamel, creating bright, detailed designs</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/health/fidget-spinners-what-is-trnd" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Fidget spinner</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, handheld toy that spins between the fingers, popular in the late 2010s as a fad and a stress reliever</span></li><li><a href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/8550811-Epigrams-by-Edwin-Markham" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Outwitted"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> poem by Edwin Markham</span></li></ul><p>				<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"He drew a circle that shut me out–</span></p><p>					<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.</span></p><p>				<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">But love and I had the wit to win:</span></p><p>					<span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We drew a circle and took him in!"</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ranchandcoast.com/explore/history-of-kpbs/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Revisiting KPBS-TV: An In-Depth Look at its First Quarter Century</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Darlene G. Davies, Ranch and Coast, 2019) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/stages-and-symptoms/dementia-symptoms/why-person-with-dementia-might-be-walking-about" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Time-shifting and dementia</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alzheimer's Society, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://fortune.com/2025/06/16/whatnot-startup-5-billion-dollar-livestream-video-shopping-app-auctions-sports-trade-card-breaks-ebay/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Inside the rise of Whatnot, the wildly-entertaining, FOMO-inducing, $5 billion shopping app you've never heard of</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jason Del Rey, Fortune, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://research.contrary.com/company/whatnot" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Whatnot</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Contrary Research, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/kpbs/2010/05/07/talkin-auction" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Talkin' Auction</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ken Kramer, KPBS, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/kpbs/2010/07/22/everything-went" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Everything Went</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Gloria Penner, KPBS, 2010)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250910174023-auctions_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:32:46</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250910174023-auctions_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Myth, post-truth and empathetic villains – from an ancient fantasy world to Kellyanne Conway: Live at the San Diego Book Festival</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In this episode, recorded live at the </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/sdbookfestival" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">KPBS San Diego Book Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, authors </span><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Emily Greenberg</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (</span><a href="https://thebookcatapult.com/book/9781952224362" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Alternative Facts"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">) and </span><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Moses Ose Utomi</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (</span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/stores/Moses-Ose-Utomi/author/B0B31B23J2" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Forever Desert" trilogy</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">) delve into storytelling across genres. Greenberg's politically charged, experimental fiction and Utomi's fantasy, rooted in West African mythology, may appear vastly different, but both investigate how societies — real and imagined — navigate truth, lies and the narratives that guide culture.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Each book in Utomi's trilogy is separated by 500 years, showing how events in his world become distorted and mythologized over time. Greenberg's short stories feature characters drawn from our real world today, bringing readers inside the mind of Kellyanne Conway and exploring formative moments in the childhood of George W. Bush.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The authors' conversation reveals where their unique voices intersect, highlighting how imagination shapes understanding of identity, history and the forces that influence perception.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.mosesoseutomi.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Moses Ose Utomi</a></li><li><a href="https://emilygreenberg.net/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Emily Greenberg</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/storytelling-and-cultural-traditions/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Storytelling and Cultural Traditions</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Geographic Society, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/ALAN/v37n3/pdf/oquinn.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Familiar Aliens: Science Fiction as Social Commentary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Elaine J. O’Quinn and Heather Atwell, The Alan Review, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://electricliterature.com/7-speculative-fiction-works-that-offer-powerful-social-commentary/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">7 Speculative Fiction Works That Offer Powerful Social Commentary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Erin Crosby Eckstine, Electric Literature, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/columns-and-blogs/soapbox/article/93339-why-genre-fiction-is-so-effective-in-tackling-social-issues.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Why Genre Fiction Is So Effective in Tackling Social Issues</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cindy Fazzi, Publishers Weekly, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/African-American-literature/The-late-19th-and-early-20th-centuries" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The late 19th and early 20th centuries in African American literature</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Willliam L. Andrews, Britannica)</span></li><li><a href="https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/315811-conway-allegedly-punched-a-man-three-times-at-inauguration-ball/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Report: Conway punched a man three times at inaugural ball </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Jennifer Calfas, The Hill, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hawaii-missile-alert-james-sean-shields-sues-heart-attack-warning/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Man says Hawaii missile-alert panic caused near-fatal heart attack</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (CBS News, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/sites/bc-magazine/summer-2020/features/welcome-to-post-truth-america.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Welcome to Post-Truth America</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Tony Rehagen, Boston College Magazine, 2020)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17FOB-onlanguage-t.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Truthiness</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ben Zimmer, The New York Times, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/deepfakes-elections-and-shrinking-liars-dividend" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Deepfakes, Elections, and Shrinking the Liar’s Dividend</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Josh A. Goldstein and Andrew Lohn, Brennan Center for Justice, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/03/20/emily-greenberg-alternative-facts-short-stories-interview-kellyanne-conway-paris-hilton-thomas-pynchon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Emily Greenberg's 'Alternative Facts': A post-truth blend of fiction, politics and pop culture</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250827165236-TheFinestEpisode17BookFestMASTERV3.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="48120821"/><guid isPermaLink="false">e8816960-83a0-11f0-b4db-a3b95609c941</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In this episode, recorded live at the </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/sdbookfestival" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">KPBS San Diego Book Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, authors </span><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Emily Greenberg</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (</span><a href="https://thebookcatapult.com/book/9781952224362" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Alternative Facts"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">) and </span><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Moses Ose Utomi</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (</span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/stores/Moses-Ose-Utomi/author/B0B31B23J2" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Forever Desert" trilogy</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">) delve into storytelling across genres. Greenberg's politically charged, experimental fiction and Utomi's fantasy, rooted in West African mythology, may appear vastly different, but both investigate how societies — real and imagined — navigate truth, lies and the narratives that guide culture.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Each book in Utomi's trilogy is separated by 500 years, showing how events in his world become distorted and mythologized over time. Greenberg's short stories feature characters drawn from our real world today, bringing readers inside the mind of Kellyanne Conway and exploring formative moments in the childhood of George W. Bush.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The authors' conversation reveals where their unique voices intersect, highlighting how imagination shapes understanding of identity, history and the forces that influence perception.</span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.mosesoseutomi.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Moses Ose Utomi</a></li><li><a href="https://emilygreenberg.net/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Emily Greenberg</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/storytelling-and-cultural-traditions/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Storytelling and Cultural Traditions</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Geographic Society, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/ALAN/v37n3/pdf/oquinn.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Familiar Aliens: Science Fiction as Social Commentary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Elaine J. O’Quinn and Heather Atwell, The Alan Review, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://electricliterature.com/7-speculative-fiction-works-that-offer-powerful-social-commentary/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">7 Speculative Fiction Works That Offer Powerful Social Commentary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Erin Crosby Eckstine, Electric Literature, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/columns-and-blogs/soapbox/article/93339-why-genre-fiction-is-so-effective-in-tackling-social-issues.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Why Genre Fiction Is So Effective in Tackling Social Issues</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cindy Fazzi, Publishers Weekly, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/art/African-American-literature/The-late-19th-and-early-20th-centuries" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The late 19th and early 20th centuries in African American literature</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Willliam L. Andrews, Britannica)</span></li><li><a href="https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/315811-conway-allegedly-punched-a-man-three-times-at-inauguration-ball/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Report: Conway punched a man three times at inaugural ball </a><span style="background-color: transparent;">(Jennifer Calfas, The Hill, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hawaii-missile-alert-james-sean-shields-sues-heart-attack-warning/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Man says Hawaii missile-alert panic caused near-fatal heart attack</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (CBS News, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/sites/bc-magazine/summer-2020/features/welcome-to-post-truth-america.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Welcome to Post-Truth America</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Tony Rehagen, Boston College Magazine, 2020) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17FOB-onlanguage-t.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Truthiness</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ben Zimmer, The New York Times, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/deepfakes-elections-and-shrinking-liars-dividend" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Deepfakes, Elections, and Shrinking the Liar’s Dividend</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Josh A. Goldstein and Andrew Lohn, Brennan Center for Justice, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/03/20/emily-greenberg-alternative-facts-short-stories-interview-kellyanne-conway-paris-hilton-thomas-pynchon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Emily Greenberg's 'Alternative Facts': A post-truth blend of fiction, politics and pop culture</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250827165244-bookfest_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:33:24</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250827165244-bookfest_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>The story of Lucky Wong and his legendary one-man diner in San Diego</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In 1975, Lucky's Breakfast, also known as Lucky's Golden Phenix, opened in North Park with a few U-shaped booths, a short-order griddle and a man named Lucky Wong at the helm. Well into his 80s, Lucky worked as a one-man show: He took every order from memory, cooked and served every plate and made every customer feel like family.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"Everybody thought they were special to him," said Ruth Kramer, a longtime patron. "I don't know how he did it, but you knew he cared about you."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The no-frills diner outlasted neighborhood changes, the pandemic and even a viral TikTok surge that brought lines down the block. When Lucky closed his doors in 2024 and later passed away, the loss was felt far beyond San Diego.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">" I felt like a family member had passed and it was sad," said Jerry Rickett of Corbin, Kentucky, who visited every other year.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In his honor, the city renamed the block of Grim Avenue where the diner stood "Lucky Lane." Through stories from family, regulars and friends, this episode remembers the man who poured the coffee, cracked the eggs — and the jokes — and quietly built a community, one breakfast at a time.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">June Wong</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Matt Lyons, </span><a href="https://www.tributepizza.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tribute Pizza</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Brian Foxworth, Jr., </span><a href="https://momschickenandwaffles.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Mom's Chicken and Waffles</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">August Wang</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Dan Anderson</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Colleen Haynes</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Douglas Saboe</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lesley Fong</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Gail Higgins, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegirlcanthelpitvintage/?hl=es" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Girl Can't Help It</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Ana Christina</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Ruth Kramer</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Thursday Garreau</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jerry Rickett</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Omid Golchehreh</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Hannah Sweet</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodSanDiego/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">r/FoodSanDiego/</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Reddit, 2014-present)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@domexican1/video/7053526201322769670" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's diner viral TikTok video</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (@domexican1, TikTok, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IaqwOWZG1w" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Golden Phenix</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Petite Films,YouTube, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hp4mxntmno" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Breakfast in North Park goes viral</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ciara Encinas, ABC 10 News, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodSanDiego/comments/1hc4z1a/more_closures_luckys_breakfast_wildwood_flour/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">More Closures: Lucky's Breakfast &amp; Wildwood Flour Bakery</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Reddit, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodSanDiego/comments/1hva6ow/luckys_breakfast_owner_has_passed_away_at_age_86/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Breakfast Owner has Passed Away at Age 86</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Reddit, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoville.com/2024/12/luckys-breakfast-closes-its-doors-in.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Breakfast Closes Its Doors In San Diego's North Park After Nearly 50 Years In Business</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SanDiegoville, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoville.com/2024/12/remembering-wong-lucky-chong-san-diego.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Remembering Lucky's Breakfast Founder Wong "Lucky" Chong: A San Diego Icon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SanDiegoville, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Second-Sino-Japanese-Warhttps://www.britannica.com/event/Second-Sino-Japanese-War" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Second Sino-Japanese War</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Encyclopedia Britannica, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/what-happened-to-san-diegos-chinatown" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What happened to San Diego's Chinatown?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julianna Domingo and Jade Hindmon, KPBS Midday Edition, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://sdhs.sandiegounified.org/about_us/diego_high_school_history" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego High School History</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (San Diego Unified)</span></li><li><a href="https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDT5Y2011.B25064?g=860XX00US92104" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Median Gross Rent for Zip Code 92104 in 2011</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United States Census Bureau)</span></li><li><a href="https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDT5Y2023.B25064?g=860XX00US92104" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Median Gross Rent for Zip Code 92104 in 2023</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United States Census Bureau)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.owner.com/blog/restaurant-failure-rate" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Real Restaurant Failure Rate Is Lower Than You Think (2025 Data)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Adam Guild, Owner, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2024/34-7-percent-of-business-establishments-born-in-2013-were-still-operating-in-2023.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">34.7 percent of business establishments born in 2013 were still operating in 2023</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://pleasekillme.com/gail-higgins-please-kill-interview/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Gail Higgins: The PKM Interview! - Part 1</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Gillian McCain, Please Kill Me, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.50toppizza.it/50-top-usa-2024/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">50 Top Pizza USA 2024</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Guide to the Best Pizzerias in the world, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://sandiego.eater.com/2015/9/15/9333329/tribute-pizza-pop-up-restaurant-san-diego-north-park" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tribute Pizza Pop-Up Finds Permanent Home in North Park</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Candice Woo, Eater San Diego, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/quality-of-life/2025/04/03/north-park-block-to-be-renamed-lucky-lane-after-the-man-who-served-it-for-50-years" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">North Park block to be renamed 'Lucky Lane' after the man who served it for 50 years</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Katie Hyson, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/make-lucky-lane-real-take-luckys-legacy-a-step-further" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Make Lucky Lane real &amp; take Lucky's Legacy a step further!</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (GoFundMe, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://docs.sandiego.gov/council_reso_ordinance/rao2025/R-316177.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Designating the 3800 Block of Grim Avenue From University Avenue to North Park Way in the North Park Community as Lucky Lane</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The City of San Diego Official Documents, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/north-parks-new-lucky-lane-named-in-honor-of-community-restaurant-owner/3858136/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">North Park's new Lucky Lane named in honor of community restaurant owner</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (M.G. Perez, NBC San Diego, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250821071913-TheFinestLuckyEpisode16MasterV2FINAL.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="49101891"/><guid isPermaLink="false">cfdffec0-7e99-11f0-b198-3771cda45113</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In 1975, Lucky's Breakfast, also known as Lucky's Golden Phenix, opened in North Park with a few U-shaped booths, a short-order griddle and a man named Lucky Wong at the helm. Well into his 80s, Lucky worked as a one-man show: He took every order from memory, cooked and served every plate and made every customer feel like family.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"Everybody thought they were special to him," said Ruth Kramer, a longtime patron. "I don't know how he did it, but you knew he cared about you."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The no-frills diner outlasted neighborhood changes, the pandemic and even a viral TikTok surge that brought lines down the block. When Lucky closed his doors in 2024 and later passed away, the loss was felt far beyond San Diego. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">" I felt like a family member had passed and it was sad," said Jerry Rickett of Corbin, Kentucky, who visited every other year.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In his honor, the city renamed the block of Grim Avenue where the diner stood "Lucky Lane." Through stories from family, regulars and friends, this episode remembers the man who poured the coffee, cracked the eggs — and the jokes — and quietly built a community, one breakfast at a time.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">June Wong</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Matt Lyons, </span><a href="https://www.tributepizza.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tribute Pizza</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Brian Foxworth, Jr., </span><a href="https://momschickenandwaffles.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Mom's Chicken and Waffles</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">August Wang</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Dan Anderson</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Colleen Haynes</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Douglas Saboe</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lesley Fong</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Gail Higgins, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thegirlcanthelpitvintage/?hl=es" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Girl Can't Help It</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Ana Christina</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Ruth Kramer</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Thursday Garreau</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jerry Rickett</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Omid Golchehreh</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Hannah Sweet</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodSanDiego/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">r/FoodSanDiego/</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Reddit, 2014-present)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@domexican1/video/7053526201322769670" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's diner viral TikTok video</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (@domexican1, TikTok, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IaqwOWZG1w" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Golden Phenix</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Petite Films,YouTube, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hp4mxntmno" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Breakfast in North Park goes viral</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ciara Encinas, ABC 10 News, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodSanDiego/comments/1hc4z1a/more_closures_luckys_breakfast_wildwood_flour/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">More Closures: Lucky's Breakfast &amp; Wildwood Flour Bakery</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Reddit, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/FoodSanDiego/comments/1hva6ow/luckys_breakfast_owner_has_passed_away_at_age_86/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Breakfast Owner has Passed Away at Age 86</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Reddit, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoville.com/2024/12/luckys-breakfast-closes-its-doors-in.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lucky's Breakfast Closes Its Doors In San Diego's North Park After Nearly 50 Years In Business</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SanDiegoville, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoville.com/2024/12/remembering-wong-lucky-chong-san-diego.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Remembering Lucky's Breakfast Founder Wong "Lucky" Chong: A San Diego Icon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SanDiegoville, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Second-Sino-Japanese-Warhttps://www.britannica.com/event/Second-Sino-Japanese-War" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Second Sino-Japanese War</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Encyclopedia Britannica, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/what-happened-to-san-diegos-chinatown" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">What happened to San Diego's Chinatown?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julianna Domingo and Jade Hindmon, KPBS Midday Edition, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://sdhs.sandiegounified.org/about_us/diego_high_school_history" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego High School History</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (San Diego Unified)</span></li><li><a href="https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDT5Y2011.B25064?g=860XX00US92104" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Median Gross Rent for Zip Code 92104 in 2011</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United States Census Bureau)</span></li><li><a href="https://data.census.gov/table/ACSDT5Y2023.B25064?g=860XX00US92104" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Median Gross Rent for Zip Code 92104 in 2023</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United States Census Bureau)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.owner.com/blog/restaurant-failure-rate" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Real Restaurant Failure Rate Is Lower Than You Think (2025 Data)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Adam Guild, Owner, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2024/34-7-percent-of-business-establishments-born-in-2013-were-still-operating-in-2023.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">34.7 percent of business establishments born in 2013 were still operating in 2023</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://pleasekillme.com/gail-higgins-please-kill-interview/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Gail Higgins: The PKM Interview! - Part 1</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Gillian McCain, Please Kill Me, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.50toppizza.it/50-top-usa-2024/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">50 Top Pizza USA 2024</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Guide to the Best Pizzerias in the world, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://sandiego.eater.com/2015/9/15/9333329/tribute-pizza-pop-up-restaurant-san-diego-north-park" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Tribute Pizza Pop-Up Finds Permanent Home in North Park</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Candice Woo, Eater San Diego, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/quality-of-life/2025/04/03/north-park-block-to-be-renamed-lucky-lane-after-the-man-who-served-it-for-50-years" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">North Park block to be renamed 'Lucky Lane' after the man who served it for 50 years</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Katie Hyson, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/make-lucky-lane-real-take-luckys-legacy-a-step-further" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Make Lucky Lane real &amp; take Lucky's Legacy a step further!</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (GoFundMe, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://docs.sandiego.gov/council_reso_ordinance/rao2025/R-316177.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Designating the 3800 Block of Grim Avenue From University Avenue to North Park Way in the North Park Community as Lucky Lane</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The City of San Diego Official Documents, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/north-parks-new-lucky-lane-named-in-honor-of-community-restaurant-owner/3858136/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">North Park's new Lucky Lane named in honor of community restaurant owner</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> (M.G. Perez, NBC San Diego, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/the-story-of-lucky-wong-and-his-legendary-one-man-diner-in-san-diego</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250820171522-lucky_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:34:05</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250820171522-lucky_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Blink-182, lucky breaks and the power of place</title><description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.blink182.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> is the biggest band to ever come out of San Diego. But their path — from the dungeon of the original SOMA to global stardom — was shaped by a lot more than just talent. With music journalist </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/danozzi/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dan Ozzi</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, co-author of bassist Mark Hoppus' new memoir, "Fahrenheit 182," we revisit the band's early years and the lucky breaks that helped launch them, from skate videos to a last-minute drummer switch.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"There was kind of a Blink-182-shaped hole in pop culture at that time that they just came at the right place, right time and filled," Ozzi said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">We also check in with emerging local acts at the North Park Music Fest, where bands like </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/peach.cooler/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Peach Cooler</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> are building community through live shows. Their stories spark bigger questions about selling out, staying local and what gets lost in an industry driven by algorithms and infinite playlists. In contrast, local music still offers something deeper: a sense of presence, a shared culture and the kind of connection that streaming can't replicate.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.danozzi.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dan Ozzi</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, music journalist and bestselling author</span></li><li><a href="https://www.peachcoolermusic.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Peach Cooler</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, indie pop band from San Diego</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Music heard in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSVx1fbfUU" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Fentoozler"</a><span style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); background-color: transparent;"> (live at SOMA in San Diego, Oct. 7, 1994)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or0ECt9xhqE&amp;list=RDor0ECt9xhqE&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Dammit"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from "The Mark, Tom, and Travis Show" live album, 1999)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6kfin-UeAQ&amp;list=RDI6kfin-UeAQ&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Josie"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1997)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQdEimiEgus&amp;list=RDtQdEimiEgus&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Carousel"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from Chicago, 2001)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERsR8PjizZ8&amp;list=RDERsR8PjizZ8&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Lemmings"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1996 version, which appeared in "</span><em style="background-color: transparent;">Good Times"</em><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxbdnK2psAQ&amp;t=1s" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Taylor Steele's "Good Times"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1996 surf movie that included "Lemmings")</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-goLUhTBtrw&amp;list=RD-goLUhTBtrw&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Aquabats - "Super Rad"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1997)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGHYfwVWz8" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Travis Barker - "Violence" drum solo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from MUSINK Festival in Costa Mesa, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b1IcVzRbNc&amp;list=RD-b1IcVzRbNc&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "I Miss You"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from Pepsi Smash concert series, 2004)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxhQN8X0u8&amp;list=RDEgxhQN8X0u8&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Jawbreaker - "Accident Prone"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1995)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJ88lIzf24&amp;list=RDcnJ88lIzf24&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "All the Small Things"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from Petco Park in San Diego, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMZ23T9VHE&amp;list=RD4kMZ23T9VHE&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Feeling This"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2004)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzIBBTVlA&amp;list=RDESzzIBBTVlA&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Peach Cooler - "Falling Forward"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Live at Capricorn Studios, 2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Dan Ozzi's writings:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/fahrenheit182" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Fahrenheit-182: A Memoir"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 2025 memoir by Blink-182 bassist Mark Hoppus, co-written with Dan Ozzi, blending personal stories, band history and reflections on life after cancer</span></li><li><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sellout-dan-ozzi?variant=40068959698978" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Sellout: The Major-Label Feeding Frenzy That Swept Punk, Emo, and Hardcore"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 2021 nonfiction book by Dan Ozzi chronicling the major-label debuts of punk and emo bands between 1994 and 2007</span></li><li><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/laura-jane-grace/tranny/9780316264372/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Tranny: Confessions of Punk Rock's Most Infamous Anarchist Sellout"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Laura Jane Grace's 2016 memoir about gender transition, punk rock life and the rise of her band Against Me!</span></li><li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/dan-ozzi/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">VICE</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A media company that began as a punk magazine in the 1990s and expanded into digital journalism, video and documentaries</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/blink182/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego pop-punk band made up of Mark Hoppus, Tom DeLonge and Travis Barker, whose catchy hooks and irreverent humor made them one of the most famous bands in the world, selling millions of albums and influencing generations of musicians</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/northparkmusicfest/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">North Park Music Fest</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Annual outdoor festival in San Diego's North Park neighborhood featuring local bands, food and craft beer</span></li><li><a href="https://www.somasandiego.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">SOMA</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego concert venue that has hosted punk, metal and alternative bands since the early 1990s</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sombreromexican/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Sombrero</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mexican food chain in San Diego County, famously referenced in Blink-182's song "Josie"</span></li><li><a href="https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/boeing-b-29-superfortress-enola-gay/nasm_A19500100000" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Enola Gay</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | U.S. Army Air Forces B-29 bomber that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945, marking a turning point in World War II and the beginning of the nuclear age</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nofxofficialwebsite.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">NOFX</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | California punk band formed in the 1980s, recognized for fast tempos and political lyrics</span></li><li><a href="https://greenday.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Green Day</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Grammy-winning punk band from Northern California whose breakthrough album,</span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4s8gyDXfc" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4s8gyDXfc" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Dookie"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1994), brought punk to mainstream audiences</span></li><li><a href="https://pennywisdom.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Pennywise</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Los Angeles punk band known for its energetic live shows and socially conscious lyrics</span></li><li><a href="https://www.jawbreakerband.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Jawbreaker</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Francisco punk and emo band influential in shaping the 1990s underground scene</span></li><li><a href="https://www.againstme.net/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Against Me!</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Florida punk band led by</span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/laurajanegrace/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/laurajanegrace/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Laura Jane Grace</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, known for its raw sound, political themes and later groundbreaking exploration of gender identity in punk rock</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/bigdummyjam/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Rick DeVoe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Longtime manager of Blink-182 and other action sports–associated bands, with deep ties to surf and skate culture</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/padres/ballpark" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Petco Park and the San Diego Padres</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | The Padres' home stadium, where Blink-182 songs are regularly played during games</span></li><li><a href="https://www.tonyhawk.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Tony Hawk</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A professional skateboarder from San Diego County whose career and lifestyle helped define modern skate culture, from competitions and video games to a global brand built around skateboarding</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Skate and surf brands | Labels like</span><a href="https://airwalk.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://airwalk.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Airwalk</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">,</span><a href="https://www.volcom.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.volcom.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Volcom</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and</span><a href="https://www.billabong.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.billabong.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Billabong</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> that became staples of 1990s skateboarding and surfing style, often linked with punk rock culture</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.billboard.com/lists/blink-182-band-history-timeline/1992-formation/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182: A Timeline of the Band's History</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Hannah Dailey, Billboard, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-drummers-of-all-time-77933/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">100 Greatest Drummers of All Time</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Christopher R. Weingarten, Jon Dolan, Matt Diehl, Ken Micallef, David Ma, Gareth Dylan Smith, Oliver Wang, Jason Heller, Jordan Runtagh, Hank Shteamer, Steve Smith, Brittany Spanos, Kory Grow, Rob Kemp, Keith Harris, Richard Gehr, Jon Wiederhorn, Maura Johnston, and Andy Greene, Rolling Stone, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/blink-182-mark-hoppus-cancer-diagnosis-brought-band-back-together-1235624066/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 Frontman Mark Hoppus Explains How His Cancer Diagnosis Brought Band Back Together</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ryan Fish, The Hollywood Reporter, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniesoteriou/travis-barker-plane-crash-everything-said" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Here's Everything That You Need To Know About The Tragic 2008 Plane Crash That Travis Barker Survived</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Stephanie Soteriou, BuzzFeed News, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.billboard.com/music/features/music-books-100-greatest-ever-7511014/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;"><strong>100 Greatest Music Books of All Time</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;"> (Billboard, 2016)</strong></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Making it in music: How do you create a local music scene in a 'superstar economy'?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, The Finest, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Spotify is changing, so one indie artist is advocating for fairness in a stream-heavy world</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, The Finest, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250806171320-TheFinestPunkEpisode15MASTERV21.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="43494957"/><guid isPermaLink="false">52f9a890-7323-11f0-9ffb-d1d6d899e74c</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.blink182.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> is the biggest band to ever come out of San Diego. But their path — from the dungeon of the original SOMA to global stardom — was shaped by a lot more than just talent. With music journalist </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/danozzi/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dan Ozzi</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, co-author of bassist Mark Hoppus' new memoir, "Fahrenheit 182," we revisit the band's early years and the lucky breaks that helped launch them, from skate videos to a last-minute drummer switch.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"There was kind of a Blink-182-shaped hole in pop culture at that time that they just came at the right place, right time and filled," Ozzi said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">We also check in with emerging local acts at the North Park Music Fest, where bands like </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/peach.cooler/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Peach Cooler</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> are building community through live shows. Their stories spark bigger questions about selling out, staying local and what gets lost in an industry driven by algorithms and infinite playlists. In contrast, local music still offers something deeper: a sense of presence, a shared culture and the kind of connection that streaming can't replicate.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.danozzi.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dan Ozzi</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, music journalist and bestselling author</span></li><li><a href="https://www.peachcoolermusic.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Peach Cooler</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, indie pop band from San Diego</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Music heard in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSVx1fbfUU" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Fentoozler"</a><span style="color: rgb(15, 15, 15); background-color: transparent;"> (live at SOMA in San Diego, Oct. 7, 1994)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or0ECt9xhqE&amp;list=RDor0ECt9xhqE&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Dammit"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from "The Mark, Tom, and Travis Show" live album, 1999)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6kfin-UeAQ&amp;list=RDI6kfin-UeAQ&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Josie"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1997)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQdEimiEgus&amp;list=RDtQdEimiEgus&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Carousel"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from Chicago, 2001)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERsR8PjizZ8&amp;list=RDERsR8PjizZ8&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Lemmings"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1996 version, which appeared in "</span><em style="background-color: transparent;">Good Times"</em><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxbdnK2psAQ&amp;t=1s" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Taylor Steele's "Good Times"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1996 surf movie that included "Lemmings")</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-goLUhTBtrw&amp;list=RD-goLUhTBtrw&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Aquabats - "Super Rad"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1997)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGHYfwVWz8" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Travis Barker - "Violence" drum solo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from MUSINK Festival in Costa Mesa, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b1IcVzRbNc&amp;list=RD-b1IcVzRbNc&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "I Miss You"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from Pepsi Smash concert series, 2004)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxhQN8X0u8&amp;list=RDEgxhQN8X0u8&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Jawbreaker - "Accident Prone"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1995)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJ88lIzf24&amp;list=RDcnJ88lIzf24&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "All the Small Things"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (live from Petco Park in San Diego, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMZ23T9VHE&amp;list=RD4kMZ23T9VHE&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 - "Feeling This"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (2004)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzIBBTVlA&amp;list=RDESzzIBBTVlA&amp;start_radio=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Peach Cooler - "Falling Forward"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Live at Capricorn Studios, 2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Dan Ozzi's writings:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/fahrenheit182" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Fahrenheit-182: A Memoir"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 2025 memoir by Blink-182 bassist Mark Hoppus, co-written with Dan Ozzi, blending personal stories, band history and reflections on life after cancer</span></li><li><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sellout-dan-ozzi?variant=40068959698978" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Sellout: The Major-Label Feeding Frenzy That Swept Punk, Emo, and Hardcore"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 2021 nonfiction book by Dan Ozzi chronicling the major-label debuts of punk and emo bands between 1994 and 2007</span></li><li><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/laura-jane-grace/tranny/9780316264372/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Tranny: Confessions of Punk Rock's Most Infamous Anarchist Sellout"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Laura Jane Grace's 2016 memoir about gender transition, punk rock life and the rise of her band Against Me!</span></li><li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/dan-ozzi/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">VICE</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A media company that began as a punk magazine in the 1990s and expanded into digital journalism, video and documentaries</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/blink182/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego pop-punk band made up of Mark Hoppus, Tom DeLonge and Travis Barker, whose catchy hooks and irreverent humor made them one of the most famous bands in the world, selling millions of albums and influencing generations of musicians</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/northparkmusicfest/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">North Park Music Fest</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Annual outdoor festival in San Diego's North Park neighborhood featuring local bands, food and craft beer</span></li><li><a href="https://www.somasandiego.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">SOMA</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego concert venue that has hosted punk, metal and alternative bands since the early 1990s</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sombreromexican/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Sombrero</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mexican food chain in San Diego County, famously referenced in Blink-182's song "Josie"</span></li><li><a href="https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/boeing-b-29-superfortress-enola-gay/nasm_A19500100000" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Enola Gay</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | U.S. Army Air Forces B-29 bomber that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945, marking a turning point in World War II and the beginning of the nuclear age</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nofxofficialwebsite.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">NOFX</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | California punk band formed in the 1980s, recognized for fast tempos and political lyrics</span></li><li><a href="https://greenday.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Green Day</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Grammy-winning punk band from Northern California whose breakthrough album,</span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4s8gyDXfc" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4s8gyDXfc" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">"Dookie"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (1994), brought punk to mainstream audiences</span></li><li><a href="https://pennywisdom.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Pennywise</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Los Angeles punk band known for its energetic live shows and socially conscious lyrics</span></li><li><a href="https://www.jawbreakerband.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Jawbreaker</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Francisco punk and emo band influential in shaping the 1990s underground scene</span></li><li><a href="https://www.againstme.net/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Against Me!</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Florida punk band led by</span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/laurajanegrace/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.instagram.com/laurajanegrace/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Laura Jane Grace</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, known for its raw sound, political themes and later groundbreaking exploration of gender identity in punk rock</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/bigdummyjam/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Rick DeVoe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Longtime manager of Blink-182 and other action sports–associated bands, with deep ties to surf and skate culture</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mlb.com/padres/ballpark" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Petco Park and the San Diego Padres</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | The Padres' home stadium, where Blink-182 songs are regularly played during games</span></li><li><a href="https://www.tonyhawk.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Tony Hawk</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A professional skateboarder from San Diego County whose career and lifestyle helped define modern skate culture, from competitions and video games to a global brand built around skateboarding</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Skate and surf brands | Labels like</span><a href="https://airwalk.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://airwalk.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Airwalk</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">,</span><a href="https://www.volcom.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.volcom.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Volcom</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and</span><a href="https://www.billabong.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://www.billabong.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Billabong</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> that became staples of 1990s skateboarding and surfing style, often linked with punk rock culture</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.billboard.com/lists/blink-182-band-history-timeline/1992-formation/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182: A Timeline of the Band's History</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Hannah Dailey, Billboard, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-greatest-drummers-of-all-time-77933/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">100 Greatest Drummers of All Time</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Christopher R. Weingarten, Jon Dolan, Matt Diehl, Ken Micallef, David Ma, Gareth Dylan Smith, Oliver Wang, Jason Heller, Jordan Runtagh, Hank Shteamer, Steve Smith, Brittany Spanos, Kory Grow, Rob Kemp, Keith Harris, Richard Gehr, Jon Wiederhorn, Maura Johnston, and Andy Greene, Rolling Stone, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/blink-182-mark-hoppus-cancer-diagnosis-brought-band-back-together-1235624066/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Blink-182 Frontman Mark Hoppus Explains How His Cancer Diagnosis Brought Band Back Together</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ryan Fish, The Hollywood Reporter, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniesoteriou/travis-barker-plane-crash-everything-said" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Here's Everything That You Need To Know About The Tragic 2008 Plane Crash That Travis Barker Survived</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Stephanie Soteriou, BuzzFeed News, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.billboard.com/music/features/music-books-100-greatest-ever-7511014/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;"><strong>100 Greatest Music Books of All Time</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent;"> (Billboard, 2016)</strong></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Making it in music: How do you create a local music scene in a 'superstar economy'?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, The Finest, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Spotify is changing, so one indie artist is advocating for fairness in a stream-heavy world</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, The Finest, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/blink-182-lucky-breaks-and-the-power-of-place</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250806171328-blink182_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:30:11</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250806171328-blink182_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Romantasy rising: How a dismissed book genre became a publishing powerhouse</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy has become one of the fastest-growing book genres in publishing — a blend of epic love stories and magical stakes that's capturing the imaginations of readers. Once dismissed as unserious or overly indulgent, the genre is now being embraced by a new wave of fans, thanks in part to </span><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/tag/BookTok" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">#BookTok</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, viral buzz and social commentary that touches on real-world issues through fantastical stories.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">On this episode of The Finest, we explore romantasy's rise, with roots in fan fiction, online communities and personal storytelling. We talk with San Diego authors, booksellers and fans, and hear from a professor who studies popular romance and romantasy fiction to understand what makes the genre so powerful — and why it's resonating so deeply across the culture.&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"This idea that romance trivializes is not new," says Netta Baker, an advanced instructor of English at Virginia Tech. "All the way back in the 18th century, Ann Radcliffe novels were thought to stir improper passions in young women."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">We also take you inside </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/tags/comic-con" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Comic-Con 2025</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, where romantasy panels drew some of the longest lines of the weekend, and unpack the genre's biggest misconceptions — that it's unserious, overly steamy or somehow not "real" fantasy. What we found instead was a powerful form of storytelling — one that reflects the real world, often giving women power and agency they don't always feel in daily life, and bringing thousands of people back to books.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy might just surprise you.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://liberalarts.vt.edu/departments-and-schools/department-of-english/faculty/hanna-baker.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Netta Baker</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Advanced Instructor of English at Virginia Tech</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/authoradalyngrace/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Adalyn Grace</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, #1 New York Times and internationally bestselling fantasy author of the "Belladonna" series</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/kaylsmoon/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Kaylie Smith</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, #1 New York Times and USA Today bestselling dark fantasy romance author of the "Wicked Games" series</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Comic-Con 2025 attendees we met during romantasy panels and signings, including Autumn Mitchell and Julia</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Books mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.marionblackwood.com/books" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Flame and Thorns" by Marion Blackwood</a></li><li><a href="https://sarahjmaas.com/books/a-court-of-thorns-and-roses/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Court of Thorns and Roses" by Sarah J. Maas</a></li><li><a href="https://rebeccayarros.com/fourthwing" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Fourth Wing" by Rebecca Yarros</a></li><li><a href="https://sarahjmaas.com/throne-of-glass-series/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Throne of Glass" by Sarah J. Maas</a></li><li><a href="https://stepheniemeyer.com/the-twilight-saga/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Twilight" by Stephenie Meyer</a></li><li><a href="https://danielleljensen.com/a-curse-carved-in-bone/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Curse Carved in Bone" by Danielle L. Jensen</a></li><li><a href="https://www.eljamesauthor.com/books/fifty-shades-of-grey/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Fifty Shades of Grey" by E.L. James</a></li><li><a href="https://adalyngraceauthor.com/belladonna/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Belladonna" by Adalyn Grace</a></li><li><a href="https://kayliesmithbooks.com/phantasma/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Phantasma" by Kaylie Smith</a></li><li><a href="https://kresleycole.com/books/a-hunger-like-no-other/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Hunger Like No Other" by Kresley Cole</a></li><li><a href="https://georgerrmartin.com/grrm_book/a-game-of-thrones-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-one/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.brandonsanderson.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Brandon Sanderson</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Bestselling fantasy author whose influence helped shift perceptions around genre fiction</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ann-Radcliffe-English-author" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Anne Radcliffe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 18th century gothic novelist whose work sparked early moral panic about women reading romance</span></li><li><a href="https://www.harlequin.com/shop/pages/brand-landing.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Harlequins</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mass-market paperback romances, known for being inexpensive, widely available and foundational to how romance has been consumed and critiqued&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://time.com/7005391/romance-novel-cover-history/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Fabio Lanzoni</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Male model who became the iconic face of steamy romance covers in the '80s and '90s</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/what-is-romantasy-anyway" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What Is Romantasy, Anyway?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (M. K. Lobb, Writer's Digest, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/financial-reporting/article/94037-print-book-sales-fell-2-6-in-2023.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Print Book Sales Fell 2.6% in 2023</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jim Milliot, Publishing Weekly, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/96842-print-book-sales-saw-a-small-sales-increase-in-2024.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Print Book Sales Saw a Small Sales Increase in 2024</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jim Milliot, Publishing Weekly, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://lithub.com/these-were-the-bestselling-books-of-2024/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">These were the bestselling books of 2024.</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Emily Temple, Lit Hub, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/03/romantasy-and-booktok-driving-a-huge-rise-in-science-fiction-and-fantasy-sales" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy and BookTok driving a huge rise in science fiction and fantasy sales</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ella Creamer, The Guardian, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/books/dragons-magic-and-steamy-sex-romantasy-sarah-maas-f81048bb" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">How Dragons, Magic and Steamy Sex Took Over the Book World</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg, Ellen Gamerman and Isabella Simonetti, The Wall Street Journal, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiktok/2025/04/21/the-power-of-booktok-why-tiktoks-book-community-is-driving-a-new-era-in-publishing/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Power of BookTok: Why TikTok's Book Community Is Driving a New Era In Publishing</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (TikTok via Forbes, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://masculinisation.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/erotica-and-pornography-a-clear-and-present-difference-by-gloria-steinem.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Erotica and Pornographby: A Clear and Present Difference</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Gloria Steinem, Ms. magazine, 1978)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-03/how-acotar-and-fourth-wing-romantasy-books-got-so-popular" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dragons and Sex Are Now a $610 Million Business Sweeping Publishing</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ella Ceron, Bloomberg, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.arts.gov/stories/blog/2024/federal-data-reading-pleasure-all-signs-show-slump" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Federal Data on Reading for Pleasure: All Signs Show a Slump</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sunil Iyengar, National Endowment for the Arts, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/life/leisure/reading-health-benefits" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What Helps Stress, Your Mood and Brain Health? Books</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ari Cofer, Right as Rain by UW Medicine, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190523-does-reading-fiction-make-us-better-people" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Does reading fiction make us better people?</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (Claudia Hammond, BBC, 2019)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250730163722-RomantacyMasterV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="52535634"/><guid isPermaLink="false">240b1cd0-6d9e-11f0-94c3-2f30c4881d8a</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy has become one of the fastest-growing book genres in publishing — a blend of epic love stories and magical stakes that's capturing the imaginations of readers. Once dismissed as unserious or overly indulgent, the genre is now being embraced by a new wave of fans, thanks in part to </span><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/tag/BookTok" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">#BookTok</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, viral buzz and social commentary that touches on real-world issues through fantastical stories. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">On this episode of The Finest, we explore romantasy's rise, with roots in fan fiction, online communities and personal storytelling. We talk with San Diego authors, booksellers and fans, and hear from a professor who studies popular romance and romantasy fiction to understand what makes the genre so powerful — and why it's resonating so deeply across the culture. </span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"This idea that romance trivializes is not new," says Netta Baker, an advanced instructor of English at Virginia Tech. "All the way back in the 18th century, Ann Radcliffe novels were thought to stir improper passions in young women."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">We also take you inside </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/tags/comic-con" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Comic-Con 2025</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">, where romantasy panels drew some of the longest lines of the weekend, and unpack the genre's biggest misconceptions — that it's unserious, overly steamy or somehow not "real" fantasy. What we found instead was a powerful form of storytelling — one that reflects the real world, often giving women power and agency they don't always feel in daily life, and bringing thousands of people back to books.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy might just surprise you.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://liberalarts.vt.edu/departments-and-schools/department-of-english/faculty/hanna-baker.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Netta Baker</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Advanced Instructor of English at Virginia Tech</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/authoradalyngrace/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Adalyn Grace</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, #1 New York Times and internationally bestselling fantasy author of the "Belladonna" series</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/kaylsmoon/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Kaylie Smith</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, #1 New York Times and USA Today bestselling dark fantasy romance author of the "Wicked Games" series</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Comic-Con 2025 attendees we met during romantasy panels and signings, including Autumn Mitchell and Julia</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Books mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.marionblackwood.com/books" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Flame and Thorns" by Marion Blackwood</a></li><li><a href="https://sarahjmaas.com/books/a-court-of-thorns-and-roses/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Court of Thorns and Roses" by Sarah J. Maas</a></li><li><a href="https://rebeccayarros.com/fourthwing" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Fourth Wing" by Rebecca Yarros</a></li><li><a href="https://sarahjmaas.com/throne-of-glass-series/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Throne of Glass" by Sarah J. Maas</a></li><li><a href="https://stepheniemeyer.com/the-twilight-saga/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Twilight" by Stephenie Meyer</a></li><li><a href="https://danielleljensen.com/a-curse-carved-in-bone/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Curse Carved in Bone" by Danielle L. Jensen</a></li><li><a href="https://www.eljamesauthor.com/books/fifty-shades-of-grey/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Fifty Shades of Grey" by E.L. James</a></li><li><a href="https://adalyngraceauthor.com/belladonna/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Belladonna" by Adalyn Grace</a></li><li><a href="https://kayliesmithbooks.com/phantasma/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Phantasma" by Kaylie Smith</a></li><li><a href="https://kresleycole.com/books/a-hunger-like-no-other/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Hunger Like No Other" by Kresley Cole</a></li><li><a href="https://georgerrmartin.com/grrm_book/a-game-of-thrones-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-book-one/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.brandonsanderson.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Brandon Sanderson</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Bestselling fantasy author whose influence helped shift perceptions around genre fiction</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ann-Radcliffe-English-author" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Anne Radcliffe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 18th century gothic novelist whose work sparked early moral panic about women reading romance</span></li><li><a href="https://www.harlequin.com/shop/pages/brand-landing.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Harlequins</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mass-market paperback romances, known for being inexpensive, widely available and foundational to how romance has been consumed and critiqued </span></li><li><a href="https://time.com/7005391/romance-novel-cover-history/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Fabio Lanzoni</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Male model who became the iconic face of steamy romance covers in the '80s and '90s</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/what-is-romantasy-anyway" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What Is Romantasy, Anyway?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (M. K. Lobb, Writer's Digest, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/financial-reporting/article/94037-print-book-sales-fell-2-6-in-2023.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Print Book Sales Fell 2.6% in 2023</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jim Milliot, Publishing Weekly, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/96842-print-book-sales-saw-a-small-sales-increase-in-2024.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Print Book Sales Saw a Small Sales Increase in 2024</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jim Milliot, Publishing Weekly, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://lithub.com/these-were-the-bestselling-books-of-2024/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">These were the bestselling books of 2024.</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Emily Temple, Lit Hub, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/03/romantasy-and-booktok-driving-a-huge-rise-in-science-fiction-and-fantasy-sales" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Romantasy and BookTok driving a huge rise in science fiction and fantasy sales</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ella Creamer, The Guardian, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/books/dragons-magic-and-steamy-sex-romantasy-sarah-maas-f81048bb" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">How Dragons, Magic and Steamy Sex Took Over the Book World</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg, Ellen Gamerman and Isabella Simonetti, The Wall Street Journal, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tiktok/2025/04/21/the-power-of-booktok-why-tiktoks-book-community-is-driving-a-new-era-in-publishing/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Power of BookTok: Why TikTok's Book Community Is Driving a New Era In Publishing</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (TikTok via Forbes, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://masculinisation.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/erotica-and-pornography-a-clear-and-present-difference-by-gloria-steinem.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Erotica and Pornographby: A Clear and Present Difference</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Gloria Steinem, Ms. magazine, 1978)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-03/how-acotar-and-fourth-wing-romantasy-books-got-so-popular" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Dragons and Sex Are Now a $610 Million Business Sweeping Publishing</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ella Ceron, Bloomberg, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.arts.gov/stories/blog/2024/federal-data-reading-pleasure-all-signs-show-slump" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Federal Data on Reading for Pleasure: All Signs Show a Slump</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sunil Iyengar, National Endowment for the Arts, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/life/leisure/reading-health-benefits" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What Helps Stress, Your Mood and Brain Health? Books</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ari Cofer, Right as Rain by UW Medicine, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190523-does-reading-fiction-make-us-better-people" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Does reading fiction make us better people?</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (Claudia Hammond, BBC, 2019)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/romantasy-rising-how-a-dismissed-book-genre-became-a-publishing-powerhouse</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250731073019-romantasy_cover_new.png"/><itunes:duration>00:36:28</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250731073019-romantasy_cover_new.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Bonus: Nortec Collective at 25 — a Port of Entry story</title><description><![CDATA[Port of Entry is a KPBS podcast that tells cross-border stories that connect us — from people whose lives are shaped by the border itself. The show is fascinating and fun, always taking listeners to new places and introducing them to incredible people and stories from both San Diego and Tijuana.In this bonus episode, we're sharing a recent installment of Port of Entry that the whole Finest team loved. But first, we talk with co-host Alan Lilienthal about the show, his favorite episode, his connection to Tijuana's Nortec Collective and how a region can shape — and be shaped by — its music.&nbsp;Then, in the full Port of Entry episode, we hear from Nortec founders Pepe Mogt and Ramon Amezcua as they celebrate 25 years of creating a groundbreaking border sound that blends traditional norteño music with electronic beats. From Las Pulgas to international stages, the Grammy-nominated collective has helped redefine what Tijuana represents — both to the world and to the people who live there.&nbsp;Learn more about Port of Entry here.]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250723161150-FINEST_PoE_SHARE_MASTER.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="71529533"/><guid isPermaLink="false">69e68b30-681a-11f0-a0a2-cd78d52e0d06</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[Port of Entry is a KPBS podcast that tells cross-border stories that connect us — from people whose lives are shaped by the border itself. The show is fascinating and fun, always taking listeners to new places and introducing them to incredible people and stories from both San Diego and Tijuana.In this bonus episode, we're sharing a recent installment of Port of Entry that the whole Finest team loved. But first, we talk with co-host Alan Lilienthal about the show, his favorite episode, his connection to Tijuana's Nortec Collective and how a region can shape — and be shaped by — its music. Then, in the full Port of Entry episode, we hear from Nortec founders Pepe Mogt and Ramon Amezcua as they celebrate 25 years of creating a groundbreaking border sound that blends traditional norteño music with electronic beats. From Las Pulgas to international stages, the Grammy-nominated collective has helped redefine what Tijuana represents — both to the world and to the people who live there. Learn more about Port of Entry here.]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250723161159-poenortec_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:29:48</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250723161159-poenortec_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>3 friends return to graffiti decades after a police sting shattered their world</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Isauro "Junior" Inocencio, Ron Recaido and Romali Licudan grew up as second-generation Filipino Americans in Southeast San Diego during the 1990s. As violence intensified in their community, they found inspiration in comics, hip-hop and murals. They formed a crew to create large-scale, permission-granted graffiti on a neighborhood wall. Their goal was to express themselves and offer something positive to those around them. But national policing efforts blurred the line between art and crime, and the group came under surveillance. Though only one of them was arrested, all three were affected by the fallout.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Years later, they return to the same wall — not to rewrite the past, but to reconnect, repaint and reflect on the power of claiming space through art.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"In graffiti, the basis of it is putting your name up. But a lot of people don't realize that graffiti can also be used — or it should be used — as a message board, to inspire," Romali said. "And it's also like, we can show the younger generation what they could do with graffiti and what they can do with their art."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">We first learned about this story from our colleague KPBS reporter Kori Suzuki. Check out his original reporting </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/01/29/in-paradise-hills-a-legendary-art-wall-lives-again" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">here</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/junglevillagechief/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Isauro "Junior" Inocencio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thekwentothesis/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Ron Recaido</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/romali_habitat2/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Romali Licudan</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">The crew’s influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.marvel.com/comics/characters/1009726/x-men" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"X-Men”</a></li><li><a href="https://robotech.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Robotech”</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">NWA</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHRnvjCkTsw&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A Tribe Called Quest</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9AlcgL6_0&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">De La Soul</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/microsoft-365/word" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Microsoft Word</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A word processing program by Microsoft that replaced the typewriter, used to draft everything from essays to letters</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Persian-Gulf-War" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Gulf War</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 1990–1991 conflict after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, marking a major U.S.-led military operation in the Middle East</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/sports/parkour" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Parkour</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A movement style focused on jumping, climbing and flipping through obstacles, often practiced in urban spaces</span></li><li><a href="https://www.surfcasual.com/blog/why-are-young-surfers-called-grommets/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Grommet</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A slang term for a young or inexperienced kid, commonly used in surf and skate culture to describe up-and-coming riders</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cifstate.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">CIF</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> Championships | High school sports championships governed by the California Interscholastic Federation, representing a pinnacle of athletic achievement for student athletes in the state</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/bTUrWYv2vtU?si=LpLrKPycr9WdvvoM" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Cyrus from "The Warriors”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A charismatic gang leader from the 1979 cult classic film, known for his iconic line "Can you dig it?” and for sparking a citywide gang truce in the film’s plot</span></li><li><a href="https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Icarus/icarus.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Icarus</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A figure from Greek mythology whose wings melted when he flew too close to the sun, often used as a metaphor for overambition or hubris</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y_nuURKCBg&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Star Wars” trap</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A reference to the iconic line "It’s a trap!” from "Return of the Jedi,” famously shouted by Admiral Ackbar, often used to signal a sudden ambush or betrayal</span></li><li><a href="https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0078607/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"The Dukes of Hazzard”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 1980s American TV show centered on two Southern cousins known for car chases, stunts and the General Lee — a Dodge Charger</span></li><li><a href="https://calarts.edu/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Cal Arts</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Short for California Institute of the Arts, a renowned private arts school in Valencia, Calif., known for producing top talent in animation, visual arts and performance</span></li><li><a href="https://nathanielbranden.com/product/the-art-of-living-consciously/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"The Art of Living Consciously”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 1997 self-help book by psychologist Nathaniel Branden that explores how self-awareness and mindfulness contribute to personal growth and authenticity</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ilocano" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Ilocano</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A major Filipino ethnolinguistic group and language</span></li><li><a href="https://panlasangpinoy.com/ampalaya/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Ampalaya</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A bitter melon common in Filipino cooking and herbal medicine</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/why-tomatoes-are-central-to-filipino-cuisine/dckxn1y54" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Kamatis</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | The Tagalog word for tomato, a staple in Filipino dishes</span></li><li><a href="https://www.thekitchn.com/what-is-calamansi-23677796" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Calamansi</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A small, sour citrus fruit used in Filipino marinades, dipping sauces and drinks</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/planning/community/profiles/skylineparadisehills/pdf/sphccfv.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Skyline‑Paradise Hills Community Plan</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City of San Diego Planning Department – City of San Diego)</span></li><li><a href="https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Philippine-American War, 1899–1902</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of State)</span></li><li><a href="https://news.va.gov/135309/congressional-gold-medal-filipino-wwii-veterans/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Congressional Gold Medal Tribute to Filipino WWII Veterans</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/july-4-1946-philippines-independence" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">July 4, 1946: The Philippines Gained Independence from the United States</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The National WWII Museum)</span></li><li><a href="https://elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph/thebookshelf/showdocs/35/10859" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Agreement amending the Military Bases Agreement of 14 March 1947</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Supreme Court E-Library)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-27-me-3911-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Navy to Stop Recruiting Filipino Nationals</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Los Angeles Times, 1992)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/01/29/in-paradise-hills-a-legendary-art-wall-lives-again" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">In Paradise Hills, a legendary art wall lives again</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kori Suzuki, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-is-redlining-united-states?utm_source=chatgpt.com" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What Is Redlining? How Residential Segregation Shaped U.S. Cities</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jameelah Nasheed, Teen Vogue, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://givingcompass.org/article/modern-day-impacts-of-historical-redlining-on-schools" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Modern-Day Impacts of Historical Redlining on Schools</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Giving Compass, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nacdl.org/Content/Race-and-the-War-on-Drugs" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Race and the War on Drugs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/2021/10/18/despite-the-recent-increase-crime-in-san-diego-is-still-well-below-its-1990s-peak/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Despite the Recent Increase, Crime in San Diego Is Still Well Below Its 1990s Peak</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jesse Marx, Voice of San Diego, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/public-safety/2011/04/28/low-crime-rates-reported-san-diego" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Low Crime Rates Reported In San Diego</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (KPBS, 2011)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandag.org/-/media/SANDAG/Documents/PDF/data-and-research/criminal-justice-and-public-safety/criminal-justice-research-clearinghouse/cj-bulletin/cj-bulletin-43-years-of-crime-san-diego-region-2023-05-03" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">43 Years of Crime in the San Diego Region: 1980 Through 2022</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SANDAG, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/231116.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Gang Prevention: An Overview of Research and Programs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://wp.nyu.edu/steinhardt-appsych_opus/gang-involvement-as-a-means-to-satisfy-basic-needs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Gang Involvement as a Means to Satisfy Basic Needs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (New York University’s Applied Psychology Online Publication of Undergraduate Studies, 2016)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://researchguides.library.vanderbilt.edu/c.php?g=1330303&amp;p=9795900" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Roots of Rap: 16 Bars on the 4 Pillars of Hip Hop</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Carole Boston Weatherford, Vanderbilt University Library)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kennedy-center.org/education/resources-for-educators/classroom-resources/media-and-interactives/media/hip-hop/hip-hop-a-culture-of-vision-and-voice/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Hip-Hop: A Culture of Vision and Voice</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Kennedy Center)</span></li><li><a href="https://thehoya.com/guide/hip-hops-origin-story-is-one-of-political-struggle-creative-resistance/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Hip-Hop’s Origin Story Is One of Political Struggle, Creative Resistance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cameron Newman, The Hoya, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://gould.usc.edu/why/students/orgs/ilj/assets/docs/18-3%20Van%20Hofwegen.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Unjust and Ineffective: A Critical Look at California's STEP Act</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sara Lynn Van Hofwegen, Southern California Interdisciplinary Law Journal, 2009)</span></li><li><a href="https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/graffiti-0" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Graffiti: Guide No. 9</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (ASU Center for Problem-Oriented Policing, 2002)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-11-21-me-533-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">7 Tagged Out in Sheriff's Graffiti Sting</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Martha L. Willman, Los Angeles Times, 1991)</span></li><li><a href="https://infoweb-newsbank-com.libproxy.sdsu.edu/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&amp;docref=news/116C4341B713B1E9&amp;f=basic" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">In tagger film ruse, they star in 'The Sting' - 37 arrested, 6 sought in operation to trap vandals</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kelly Thornton, San Diego Union-Tribune, 1994)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/workers-united-the-delano-grape-strike-and-boycott.htm" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Workers United: The Delano Grape Strike and Boycott</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service)</span></li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190926230258/https://prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/sites/prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/files/sitewide/Barbadillo_vol28.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Minority Within a Minority": Filipinos in the United Farmworkers Movement</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mariel Barbadillo, "Prized Writing 2016-2017," UC Davis)</span></li><li><a href="https://ufw.org/1965-1970-delano-grape-strike-boycott/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The 1965-1970 Delano Grape Strike and Boycott</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United Farm Workers, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pcecpslo.com/faq" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What is "Isang Bagsak”?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Pilipino Cultural Exchange)</span></li><li><a href="https://ieor.berkeley.edu/filipino-american-history-month-student-stories/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Filipino American History Month: Student Stories</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UC Berkeley Industrial Engineering and Operations Research)</span></li><li><a href="https://clp.arizona.edu/courses/languages/tagalog#:~:text=The%20Tagalog%20homeland%2C%20Katagalugan%2C%20covers,Chinese%20but%20ahead%20of%20French" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Tagalog</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (University of Arizona Critical Languages Program)</span></li><li><a href="https://emobrown.com/podcast-episode/emo-brown-the-interviews-ron-recaido-on-the-kwento-thesis-roots-routes/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Emo Brown: The Interviews — Ron Recaido on The Kwento Thesis: Roots &amp; Routes</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (Emo Brown: The Podcast, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250709172603-ParadiseWallFinestEpMASTERV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="52946328"/><guid isPermaLink="false">769c69b0-5d24-11f0-b551-b7743b508eca</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Isauro "Junior" Inocencio, Ron Recaido and Romali Licudan grew up as second-generation Filipino Americans in Southeast San Diego during the 1990s. As violence intensified in their community, they found inspiration in comics, hip-hop and murals. They formed a crew to create large-scale, permission-granted graffiti on a neighborhood wall. Their goal was to express themselves and offer something positive to those around them. But national policing efforts blurred the line between art and crime, and the group came under surveillance. Though only one of them was arrested, all three were affected by the fallout.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Years later, they return to the same wall — not to rewrite the past, but to reconnect, repaint and reflect on the power of claiming space through art.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">"In graffiti, the basis of it is putting your name up. But a lot of people don't realize that graffiti can also be used — or it should be used — as a message board, to inspire," Romali said. "And it's also like, we can show the younger generation what they could do with graffiti and what they can do with their art."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">We first learned about this story from our colleague KPBS reporter Kori Suzuki. Check out his original reporting </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/01/29/in-paradise-hills-a-legendary-art-wall-lives-again" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">here</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/junglevillagechief/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Isauro "Junior" Inocencio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thekwentothesis/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Ron Recaido</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/romali_habitat2/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Romali Licudan</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">The crew’s influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.marvel.com/comics/characters/1009726/x-men" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"X-Men”</a></li><li><a href="https://robotech.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Robotech”</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZi25Pq3T8&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">NWA</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHRnvjCkTsw&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A Tribe Called Quest</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9AlcgL6_0&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">De La Soul</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/microsoft-365/word" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Microsoft Word</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A word processing program by Microsoft that replaced the typewriter, used to draft everything from essays to letters</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Persian-Gulf-War" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Gulf War</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 1990–1991 conflict after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, marking a major U.S.-led military operation in the Middle East</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/sports/parkour" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Parkour</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A movement style focused on jumping, climbing and flipping through obstacles, often practiced in urban spaces</span></li><li><a href="https://www.surfcasual.com/blog/why-are-young-surfers-called-grommets/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Grommet</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A slang term for a young or inexperienced kid, commonly used in surf and skate culture to describe up-and-coming riders</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cifstate.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">CIF</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> Championships | High school sports championships governed by the California Interscholastic Federation, representing a pinnacle of athletic achievement for student athletes in the state</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/bTUrWYv2vtU?si=LpLrKPycr9WdvvoM" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Cyrus from "The Warriors”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A charismatic gang leader from the 1979 cult classic film, known for his iconic line "Can you dig it?” and for sparking a citywide gang truce in the film’s plot</span></li><li><a href="https://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/Mortals/Icarus/icarus.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Icarus</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A figure from Greek mythology whose wings melted when he flew too close to the sun, often used as a metaphor for overambition or hubris</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y_nuURKCBg&amp;pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"Star Wars” trap</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A reference to the iconic line "It’s a trap!” from "Return of the Jedi,” famously shouted by Admiral Ackbar, often used to signal a sudden ambush or betrayal</span></li><li><a href="https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0078607/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"The Dukes of Hazzard”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 1980s American TV show centered on two Southern cousins known for car chases, stunts and the General Lee — a Dodge Charger</span></li><li><a href="https://calarts.edu/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Cal Arts</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Short for California Institute of the Arts, a renowned private arts school in Valencia, Calif., known for producing top talent in animation, visual arts and performance</span></li><li><a href="https://nathanielbranden.com/product/the-art-of-living-consciously/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"The Art of Living Consciously”</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 1997 self-help book by psychologist Nathaniel Branden that explores how self-awareness and mindfulness contribute to personal growth and authenticity</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ilocano" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Ilocano</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A major Filipino ethnolinguistic group and language</span></li><li><a href="https://panlasangpinoy.com/ampalaya/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Ampalaya</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A bitter melon common in Filipino cooking and herbal medicine</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/why-tomatoes-are-central-to-filipino-cuisine/dckxn1y54" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Kamatis</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | The Tagalog word for tomato, a staple in Filipino dishes</span></li><li><a href="https://www.thekitchn.com/what-is-calamansi-23677796" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Calamansi</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A small, sour citrus fruit used in Filipino marinades, dipping sauces and drinks</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/planning/community/profiles/skylineparadisehills/pdf/sphccfv.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Skyline‑Paradise Hills Community Plan</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City of San Diego Planning Department – City of San Diego)</span></li><li><a href="https://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/war" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Philippine-American War, 1899–1902</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of State)</span></li><li><a href="https://news.va.gov/135309/congressional-gold-medal-filipino-wwii-veterans/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The Congressional Gold Medal Tribute to Filipino WWII Veterans</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/july-4-1946-philippines-independence" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">July 4, 1946: The Philippines Gained Independence from the United States</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The National WWII Museum)</span></li><li><a href="https://elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph/thebookshelf/showdocs/35/10859" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Agreement amending the Military Bases Agreement of 14 March 1947</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Supreme Court E-Library)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-27-me-3911-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Navy to Stop Recruiting Filipino Nationals</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Los Angeles Times, 1992)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/01/29/in-paradise-hills-a-legendary-art-wall-lives-again" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">In Paradise Hills, a legendary art wall lives again</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kori Suzuki, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-is-redlining-united-states?utm_source=chatgpt.com" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What Is Redlining? How Residential Segregation Shaped U.S. Cities</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jameelah Nasheed, Teen Vogue, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://givingcompass.org/article/modern-day-impacts-of-historical-redlining-on-schools" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Modern-Day Impacts of Historical Redlining on Schools</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Giving Compass, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nacdl.org/Content/Race-and-the-War-on-Drugs" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Race and the War on Drugs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/2021/10/18/despite-the-recent-increase-crime-in-san-diego-is-still-well-below-its-1990s-peak/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Despite the Recent Increase, Crime in San Diego Is Still Well Below Its 1990s Peak</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jesse Marx, Voice of San Diego, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/public-safety/2011/04/28/low-crime-rates-reported-san-diego" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Low Crime Rates Reported In San Diego</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (KPBS, 2011)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandag.org/-/media/SANDAG/Documents/PDF/data-and-research/criminal-justice-and-public-safety/criminal-justice-research-clearinghouse/cj-bulletin/cj-bulletin-43-years-of-crime-san-diego-region-2023-05-03" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">43 Years of Crime in the San Diego Region: 1980 Through 2022</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (SANDAG, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/231116.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Gang Prevention: An Overview of Research and Programs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://wp.nyu.edu/steinhardt-appsych_opus/gang-involvement-as-a-means-to-satisfy-basic-needs/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Gang Involvement as a Means to Satisfy Basic Needs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (New York University’s Applied Psychology Online Publication of Undergraduate Studies, 2016)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"</span><a href="https://researchguides.library.vanderbilt.edu/c.php?g=1330303&amp;p=9795900" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Roots of Rap: 16 Bars on the 4 Pillars of Hip Hop</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Carole Boston Weatherford, Vanderbilt University Library)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kennedy-center.org/education/resources-for-educators/classroom-resources/media-and-interactives/media/hip-hop/hip-hop-a-culture-of-vision-and-voice/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Hip-Hop: A Culture of Vision and Voice</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Kennedy Center)</span></li><li><a href="https://thehoya.com/guide/hip-hops-origin-story-is-one-of-political-struggle-creative-resistance/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Hip-Hop’s Origin Story Is One of Political Struggle, Creative Resistance</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cameron Newman, The Hoya, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://gould.usc.edu/why/students/orgs/ilj/assets/docs/18-3%20Van%20Hofwegen.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Unjust and Ineffective: A Critical Look at California's STEP Act</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sara Lynn Van Hofwegen, Southern California Interdisciplinary Law Journal, 2009)</span></li><li><a href="https://popcenter.asu.edu/content/graffiti-0" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Graffiti: Guide No. 9</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (ASU Center for Problem-Oriented Policing, 2002)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-11-21-me-533-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">7 Tagged Out in Sheriff's Graffiti Sting</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Martha L. Willman, Los Angeles Times, 1991)</span></li><li><a href="https://infoweb-newsbank-com.libproxy.sdsu.edu/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&amp;docref=news/116C4341B713B1E9&amp;f=basic" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">In tagger film ruse, they star in 'The Sting' - 37 arrested, 6 sought in operation to trap vandals</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kelly Thornton, San Diego Union-Tribune, 1994)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/workers-united-the-delano-grape-strike-and-boycott.htm" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Workers United: The Delano Grape Strike and Boycott</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service)</span></li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190926230258/https://prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/sites/prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/files/sitewide/Barbadillo_vol28.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">"A Minority Within a Minority": Filipinos in the United Farmworkers Movement</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mariel Barbadillo, "Prized Writing 2016-2017," UC Davis)</span></li><li><a href="https://ufw.org/1965-1970-delano-grape-strike-boycott/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">The 1965-1970 Delano Grape Strike and Boycott</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (United Farm Workers, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pcecpslo.com/faq" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">What is "Isang Bagsak”?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Pilipino Cultural Exchange)</span></li><li><a href="https://ieor.berkeley.edu/filipino-american-history-month-student-stories/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Filipino American History Month: Student Stories</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UC Berkeley Industrial Engineering and Operations Research)</span></li><li><a href="https://clp.arizona.edu/courses/languages/tagalog#:~:text=The%20Tagalog%20homeland%2C%20Katagalugan%2C%20covers,Chinese%20but%20ahead%20of%20French" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Tagalog</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (University of Arizona Critical Languages Program)</span></li><li><a href="https://emobrown.com/podcast-episode/emo-brown-the-interviews-ron-recaido-on-the-kwento-thesis-roots-routes/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Emo Brown: The Interviews — Ron Recaido on The Kwento Thesis: Roots &amp; Routes</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (Emo Brown: The Podcast, 2025)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/3-friends-return-to-graffiti-decades-after-a-police-sting-shattered-their-world</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250709172614-paradisehillswall_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:36:46</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250709172614-paradisehillswall_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>A Kumeyaay comic book rewrites California's history and inspires a hopeful future</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">The Kumeyaay have long told stories through rock art, vivid images carved into stone that preserved culture, memory and meaning. Today, that tradition continues in a new comic book created by Kumeyaay educators and historians to challenge the erasure of Indigenous history in California classrooms. Co-written by SDSU professor Ethan Banegas, a member of the Barona Band of Mission Indians, the book brings Kumeyaay life — from ancestral knowledge to colonization and resistance — into a format designed for students and teachers.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/a-kumeyaay-comic-book-rewrites-californias-history-and-inspires-a-hopeful-future" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Peek inside the comic book, plus a handful of images from Ethan Banegas</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">" Oftentimes history is written as: We are victims, we are passive. And what I like about this page, in general, is this is us creating and fighting for our own future. So I think that's why this comic is a real game changer for people like me growing up in today's world," Banegas said. "You just know these things are true, but you don't have any way or material to support it. They have this comic now to go to bat for 'em."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Blending community memory, academic research and lived experience, the comic is both a resource and a tool of reclamation. It replaces silence with story, and invisibility with truth.</span></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://cdn.kpbs.org/c7/7f/8d8d0df44aa1ac7dde4e479d8679/kumeyaay-full-comic-spreads-no-bleed-1.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>Download the comic book ↗</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">&nbsp;</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guest:</strong></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Ethan Banegas:</span></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Co-author of </span><a href="https://kumeyaayvsp.weebly.com/the-comic.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Our Past, Present, and Future / Beyond Gaming"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> along with </span><a href="https://sunbeltpublications.com/authors/michael-connolly-miskwish/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Michael Connolly Miskwish</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, </span><a href="https://www.cuyamaca.edu/academics/academic-and-career-pathways/culture-people-ideas/kumeyaay-studies/kumeyaay-studies-faculty.php" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Lorraine Orosco</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://ec2022.sched.com/speaker/dr_stanley_rodriguez.23mqoqif" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Stanley Rodriguez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, and illustrated by </span><a href="https://johngswogger.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">John Swogger</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Historian at the </span><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego History Center</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Professor at </span><a href="https://ais.sdsu.edu/faculty/bios/banegas" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego State University</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.barona-nsn.gov/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Barona Band of Mission Indians</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A federally recognized Kumeyaay tribe located in San Diego County, known for preserving language, culture and history while running one of the region's most well-established tribal casinos</span></li><li><a href="https://www.fishermanswharf.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fisherman's Wharf</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Francisco waterfront near Alcatraz, where Native activists staged part of the 1969 occupation to demand Indigenous rights and recognition</span></li><li><a href="https://www.native-languages.org/drums.htm#google_vignette" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tom-tom</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A type of hand drum used across many Native American tribes in ceremonies, storytelling and music</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Event: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/events/ongoing/kumeyaay-visual-storytelling-project-exhibition" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Kumeyaay Visual Storytelling Project Exhibition'</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/july-16/first-catholic-mission-in-california-dedicated" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"​​First Catholic mission in California dedicated"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="http://history.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History.com</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/5views/5views1b.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">A History of American Indians in California: 1769-1848</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service)</span></li><li><a href="https://oxfordre.com/americanhistory/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-117" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">California Indians</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Benjamin L. Madley, Oxford University Press, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://celebratecalifornia.library.ca.gov/californias-long-war-of-extermination/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">California's Long "War of Extermination"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (John Briscoe, California State Library)</span></li><li><a href="https://nahc.ca.gov/native-americans/california-indian-history/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">California Indian History</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Edward D. Castillo, California Native American Heritage Commission)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/articles/californias-little-known-genocide" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"California's Little-Known Genocide"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Erin Blakemore, </span><a href="http://history.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History.com</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/cabr/learn/historyculture/juan-rodriguez-cabrillo.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service)</span></li><li><a href="https://viejasbandofkumeyaay.org/viejas-community/kumeyaay-history/kumeyaay-look-to-the-sky/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Kumeyaay Look to the Sky</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians)</span></li><li><a href="https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/xp68kg96p" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"History and Memory: The Mission Indian Federation's Tools of Resistance"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Chris McCormack, California State University, Fullerton, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://abc7news.com/occupation-of-alcatraz-native-american-indigenous-americans-documentary/10771971/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"1969 Occupation of Alcatraz: How Native Americans took over former prison and ignited a movement"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ken Miguel and Cornell Barnard, ABC7 News, 2021)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch: </strong><a href="https://youtu.be/tyno7ENZ_NU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The story of the 1969 Native occupation told through rare footage in "Escape to Alcatraz"</a></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/red-power-movement-radical-fight-native-american-sovereignty" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The radical history of the Red Power movement's fight for Native American sovereignty"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Erin Blakemore, National Geographic, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/preserving-kumeyaay-culture-through-higher-education" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Preserving Kumeyaay culture through higher education"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jade Hindmon, Julianna Domingo and Brooke Ruth, KPBS, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/23/pope-francis-junipero-serra-sainthood-washington-california" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Junípero Serra's brutal story in spotlight as pope prepares for canonisation"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Andrew Gumbel, The Guardian, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdJWQTdyLU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pope: Junipero Serra, a witness of the "Church which goes forth"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Vatican Archive via YouTube, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeOoX_iSfZg" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pope Francis praises Junipero Serra during Mass in Washington</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (CNN via YouTube, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://myusf.usfca.edu/provost/The-Jesuits-and-Native-Communities" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Jesuits and Native Communities</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alan Ziajka, Pierless Bridges, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.padrekino.com/index.php/khs_home" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Eusebio Francisco Kino 1645-1711</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kino Historical Society)</span></li><li><a href="https://archive.org/details/conflictbetweenc0000cook_r5y2/page/n3/mode/2up" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The conflict between the California Indian and white civilization"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sherburne Friend Cook, University of California Press, 1976)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.voanews.com/a/native-americans-call-for-rethink-of-bering-strait-theory/3901792.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Native Americans Call For Rethink of Bering Strait Theory"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cecily Hilleary, Voice of America, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/did-humans-cross-the-bering-strait-after-the-land-bridge-disappeared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Did humans cross the Bering Strait after the land bridge disappeared?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Amanda Heidt, Live Science, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/the-1st-americans-were-not-who-we-thought-they-were" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The 1st Americans were not who we thought they were"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Laura Geggel, Live Science, 2023)</span><a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-evidence-human-activity-north-america-130000-years-ago-180963046/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Remarkable New Evidence for Human Activity in North America 130,000 Years Ago"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Brigit Katz, Smithsonian Magazine, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/21/fact-sheet-president-biden-designates-avi-kwa-ame-national-monument/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">FACT SHEET: President Biden Designates Avi Kwa Ame National Monument</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Archives, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://viejasbandofkumeyaay.org/viejas-community/kumeyaay-history/gaming-and-games/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Gaming and Peon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2025/01/07/navajo-council-designates-navajo-as-the-nations-official-language/77488783007/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"After council vote, Navajo is now the official language of the Navajo Nation"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Arlyssa D. Becenti Arizona Republic, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/quality-of-life/2024/11/27/kumeyaay-community-in-baja-california-seeks-to-preserve-their-language" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Kumeyaay community in Baja California seeks to preserve their language"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Natalie Gonzalez Rodriguez, KPBS, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2022/08/29/as-part-of-cultural-revitalization-kumeyaay-community-celebrates-launch-of-50-tule-boats/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"As part of cultural revitalization, Kumeyaay community celebrates launch of 50 tule boats"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lauren J. Mapp, The San Diego Union-Tribune, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-hK7BTE8Is" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Donovan Nation Singing Kumeyaay Bird Songs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Birdy Escalanti via YouTube, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://uofsdmedia.com/saints-tekakwitha-and-serra-hall/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Saints Tekakwitha and Serra Hall</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (USD Student Media, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Kateri-Tekakwitha" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">St. Kateri Tekakwitha</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Britannica)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250702130831-TheFinestEpisode11MASTERV11.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="45646109"/><guid isPermaLink="false">535b92c0-5780-11f0-927b-2527cd7407aa</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">The Kumeyaay have long told stories through rock art, vivid images carved into stone that preserved culture, memory and meaning. Today, that tradition continues in a new comic book created by Kumeyaay educators and historians to challenge the erasure of Indigenous history in California classrooms. Co-written by SDSU professor Ethan Banegas, a member of the Barona Band of Mission Indians, the book brings Kumeyaay life — from ancestral knowledge to colonization and resistance — into a format designed for students and teachers.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/a-kumeyaay-comic-book-rewrites-californias-history-and-inspires-a-hopeful-future" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Peek inside the comic book, plus a handful of images from Ethan Banegas</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">" Oftentimes history is written as: We are victims, we are passive. And what I like about this page, in general, is this is us creating and fighting for our own future. So I think that's why this comic is a real game changer for people like me growing up in today's world," Banegas said. "You just know these things are true, but you don't have any way or material to support it. They have this comic now to go to bat for 'em."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Blending community memory, academic research and lived experience, the comic is both a resource and a tool of reclamation. It replaces silence with story, and invisibility with truth.</span></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://cdn.kpbs.org/c7/7f/8d8d0df44aa1ac7dde4e479d8679/kumeyaay-full-comic-spreads-no-bleed-1.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);"><strong>Download the comic book ↗</strong></a><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guest:</strong></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Ethan Banegas:</span></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Co-author of </span><a href="https://kumeyaayvsp.weebly.com/the-comic.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Our Past, Present, and Future / Beyond Gaming"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> along with </span><a href="https://sunbeltpublications.com/authors/michael-connolly-miskwish/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Michael Connolly Miskwish</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, </span><a href="https://www.cuyamaca.edu/academics/academic-and-career-pathways/culture-people-ideas/kumeyaay-studies/kumeyaay-studies-faculty.php" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Lorraine Orosco</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://ec2022.sched.com/speaker/dr_stanley_rodriguez.23mqoqif" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Stanley Rodriguez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, and illustrated by </span><a href="https://johngswogger.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">John Swogger</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Historian at the </span><a href="https://sandiegohistory.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego History Center</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Professor at </span><a href="https://ais.sdsu.edu/faculty/bios/banegas" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego State University</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.barona-nsn.gov/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Barona Band of Mission Indians</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A federally recognized Kumeyaay tribe located in San Diego County, known for preserving language, culture and history while running one of the region's most well-established tribal casinos</span></li><li><a href="https://www.fishermanswharf.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fisherman's Wharf</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Francisco waterfront near Alcatraz, where Native activists staged part of the 1969 occupation to demand Indigenous rights and recognition</span></li><li><a href="https://www.native-languages.org/drums.htm#google_vignette" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tom-tom</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A type of hand drum used across many Native American tribes in ceremonies, storytelling and music</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Event: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/events/ongoing/kumeyaay-visual-storytelling-project-exhibition" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">'Kumeyaay Visual Storytelling Project Exhibition'</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/july-16/first-catholic-mission-in-california-dedicated" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"​​First Catholic mission in California dedicated"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (</span><a href="http://history.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History.com</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2010)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/5views/5views1b.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">A History of American Indians in California: 1769-1848</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service)</span></li><li><a href="https://oxfordre.com/americanhistory/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-117" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">California Indians</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Benjamin L. Madley, Oxford University Press, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://celebratecalifornia.library.ca.gov/californias-long-war-of-extermination/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">California's Long "War of Extermination"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (John Briscoe, California State Library)</span></li><li><a href="https://nahc.ca.gov/native-americans/california-indian-history/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">California Indian History</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Edward D. Castillo, California Native American Heritage Commission)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/articles/californias-little-known-genocide" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"California's Little-Known Genocide"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Erin Blakemore, </span><a href="http://history.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">History.com</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nps.gov/cabr/learn/historyculture/juan-rodriguez-cabrillo.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Park Service)</span></li><li><a href="https://viejasbandofkumeyaay.org/viejas-community/kumeyaay-history/kumeyaay-look-to-the-sky/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Kumeyaay Look to the Sky</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians)</span></li><li><a href="https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/xp68kg96p" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"History and Memory: The Mission Indian Federation's Tools of Resistance"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Chris McCormack, California State University, Fullerton, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://abc7news.com/occupation-of-alcatraz-native-american-indigenous-americans-documentary/10771971/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"1969 Occupation of Alcatraz: How Native Americans took over former prison and ignited a movement"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ken Miguel and Cornell Barnard, ABC7 News, 2021)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch: </strong><a href="https://youtu.be/tyno7ENZ_NU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The story of the 1969 Native occupation told through rare footage in "Escape to Alcatraz"</a></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/red-power-movement-radical-fight-native-american-sovereignty" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The radical history of the Red Power movement's fight for Native American sovereignty"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Erin Blakemore, National Geographic, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/preserving-kumeyaay-culture-through-higher-education" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Preserving Kumeyaay culture through higher education"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jade Hindmon, Julianna Domingo and Brooke Ruth, KPBS, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/23/pope-francis-junipero-serra-sainthood-washington-california" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Junípero Serra's brutal story in spotlight as pope prepares for canonisation"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Andrew Gumbel, The Guardian, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCdJWQTdyLU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pope: Junipero Serra, a witness of the "Church which goes forth"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The Vatican Archive via YouTube, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeOoX_iSfZg" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pope Francis praises Junipero Serra during Mass in Washington</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (CNN via YouTube, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://myusf.usfca.edu/provost/The-Jesuits-and-Native-Communities" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Jesuits and Native Communities</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alan Ziajka, Pierless Bridges, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.padrekino.com/index.php/khs_home" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Eusebio Francisco Kino 1645-1711</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kino Historical Society)</span></li><li><a href="https://archive.org/details/conflictbetweenc0000cook_r5y2/page/n3/mode/2up" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The conflict between the California Indian and white civilization"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sherburne Friend Cook, University of California Press, 1976)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.voanews.com/a/native-americans-call-for-rethink-of-bering-strait-theory/3901792.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Native Americans Call For Rethink of Bering Strait Theory"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Cecily Hilleary, Voice of America, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/did-humans-cross-the-bering-strait-after-the-land-bridge-disappeared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Did humans cross the Bering Strait after the land bridge disappeared?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Amanda Heidt, Live Science, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/the-1st-americans-were-not-who-we-thought-they-were" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The 1st Americans were not who we thought they were"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Laura Geggel, Live Science, 2023)</span><a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-evidence-human-activity-north-america-130000-years-ago-180963046/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Remarkable New Evidence for Human Activity in North America 130,000 Years Ago"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Brigit Katz, Smithsonian Magazine, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/21/fact-sheet-president-biden-designates-avi-kwa-ame-national-monument/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">FACT SHEET: President Biden Designates Avi Kwa Ame National Monument</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (National Archives, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://viejasbandofkumeyaay.org/viejas-community/kumeyaay-history/gaming-and-games/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Gaming and Peon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2025/01/07/navajo-council-designates-navajo-as-the-nations-official-language/77488783007/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"After council vote, Navajo is now the official language of the Navajo Nation"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Arlyssa D. Becenti Arizona Republic, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/quality-of-life/2024/11/27/kumeyaay-community-in-baja-california-seeks-to-preserve-their-language" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Kumeyaay community in Baja California seeks to preserve their language"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Natalie Gonzalez Rodriguez, KPBS, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2022/08/29/as-part-of-cultural-revitalization-kumeyaay-community-celebrates-launch-of-50-tule-boats/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"As part of cultural revitalization, Kumeyaay community celebrates launch of 50 tule boats"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lauren J. Mapp, The San Diego Union-Tribune, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-hK7BTE8Is" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Donovan Nation Singing Kumeyaay Bird Songs</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Birdy Escalanti via YouTube, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://uofsdmedia.com/saints-tekakwitha-and-serra-hall/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Saints Tekakwitha and Serra Hall</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (USD Student Media, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Kateri-Tekakwitha" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">St. Kateri Tekakwitha</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Britannica)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/a-kumeyaay-comic-book-rewrites-californias-history-and-inspires-a-hopeful-future</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250702130713-kumeyaaycomic_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:31:41</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250702130713-kumeyaaycomic_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Chasing 100 birds in 1 day in America's Birdiest County: Inside the birding boom</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">San Diego is one of the most biodiverse birding regions in North America, with more than 500 recorded species — and its annual Bird Festival draws crowds from around the country. One of its most popular (and ambitious) events is the "100 or More" challenge: a daylong sprint to identify at least 100 different birds.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/chasing-100-birds-in-1-day-in-americas-birdiest-county-inside-the-birding-boom" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Meet the birds (and the birders) from the "100 Birds or More" field trip</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this episode, producer Anthony Wallace follows the action across scenic lakes, rugged foothills, city reservoirs and coastal wetlands to see how this classic hobby has taken on new energy.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Map:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&amp;mid=1Dpz3njJ8nHrS2W0bo9P8PLoJuDLIQdw&amp;ll=32.821298195355354%2C-117.04563999999999&amp;z=12" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego 100+ Birding Route</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Along the way, we meet passionate birders — both seasoned listers and recent enthusiasts — learn many mind-blowing bird facts and explore how birds inspire everything from healing to obsession to joy.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Anthony's top 4 reasons to love birding:</strong></p><ol><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Every bird has a story.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Bird migration is mind-blowing.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">It opens up your ears — you'll start noticing sounds you never paid attention to.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Bird behavior is entertaining and mesmerizing: bizarre, dramatic and constantly unfolding.</span></li></ol><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://youtu.be/fByZvRSeSiE" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Anthony's "A day in the life of a birder" video diary</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jen Hajj, </span><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdfestival.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Bird Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> coordinator for the </span><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdalliance.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Bird Alliance</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Rick Grove, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/B3BCOIlBSrW/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">birder</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/rickgroveweddingofficiant/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">wedding officiant</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://ebird.org/tripreport/335796" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"100 Birds or More" field trip</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> participants and guides, including </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/dorothy_arnold_photography/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Dorothy Arnold</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/scrichter/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Samantha Richter</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sandiegobirdguide/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mark Dayton</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/jehudy_c/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jehudy Carballo</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Bird species (in order of mention throughout the episode):</strong></p><ol><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lilac-crowned amazon (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/lilac-crowned-parrot" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tricolored blackbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/tricolored-blackbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Tricolored_Blackbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Great-tailed grackle (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/tricolored-blackbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Great-tailed_Grackle" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Yellow-rumped warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/yellow-rumped-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Yellow-rumped_Warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Song sparrow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/song-sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Song_Sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Black phoebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/black-phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black_Phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Phainopepla (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/phainopepla" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Phainopepla" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Neotropic cormorant (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/neotropic-cormorant" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Neotropic_Cormorant/overview" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Woodpecker (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/nuttalls-woodpecker" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Nuttalls_Woodpecker" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Townsend's warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/townsends-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Townsends_Warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Orange-crowned warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/orange-crowned-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Orange-crowned_Warbler/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Wilson's warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/wilsons-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Wilsons_Warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Red-shouldered hawk (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/red-shouldered-hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Red-shouldered_Hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Allen's hummingbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/allens-hummingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Allens_Hummingbird/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><br></li><li>Black-crowned night heron (<a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/black-crowned-night-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-crowned_night_heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">California towhee (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/california-towhee" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/California_Towhee" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Cooper's hawk (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/coopers-hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Coopers_Hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">California scrub-jay (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/california-scrub-jay" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/California_Scrub-Jay" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Oak titmouse (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/oak-titmouse" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Oak_Titmouse" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Gadwall (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/gadwall" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Gadwall" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Western grebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/western-grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Western_Grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Say's phoebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/says-phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Says_Phoebe/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Parakeet (</span><a href="https://www.britannica.com/animal/parakeet" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Britannica</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Cliff swallow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/cliff-swallow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Cliff_Swallow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Hooded oriole (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/hooded-oriole" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Hooded_Oriole" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Eastern phoebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/eastern-phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Eastern_Phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Common swift (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/the-common-swift-new-record-holder-longest-uninterrupted-flight" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://birdsoftheworld.org/bow/species/comswi/cur/introduction" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Birds of the World</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Iceland gull (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/iceland-gull" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Iceland_Gull" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Thick-billed kingbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/thick-billed-kingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Thick-billed_Kingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Yellow-crowned night heron (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/yellow-crowned-night-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Yellow-crowned_Night_Heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Little blue heron (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/little-blue-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Little_Blue_Heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Reddish egret (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/reddish-egret" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Reddish_Egret" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tricolored heron (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/tricolored-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Tricolored_Heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Anna's hummingbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/annas-hummingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Annas_Hummingbird/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lark sparrow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/lark-sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Lark_Sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">American crow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/american-crow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/American_Crow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Common raven (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/common-raven" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Common_Raven" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Clark's grebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/clarks-grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Clarks_Grebe/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Laughing falcon (</span><a href="https://birdsoftheworld.org/bow/species/laufal1/cur/introduction" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Birds of the World</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">American coot (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/american-coot" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/American_Coot/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)&nbsp;</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Least sandpiper (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/least-sandpiper" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Least_Sandpiper" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Whimbrel (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/whimbrel" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Whimbrel" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Elegant tern (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/elegant-tern" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Elegant_Tern" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li></ol><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Birding terms to know:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Listers - Birders who keep track of every species they've seen.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Big Year - A challenge to spot as many bird species as possible in a single year.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Vagrants - Birds spotted outside the regions where they're typically found.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Rushing - A synchronized mating dance where birds like Western or Clark's grebes run side by side across the water's surface.</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Also mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ebird.org/home" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">eBird</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | One of the top birding apps to log sightings, find birding locations and track trends across regions</span></li><li><a href="https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Merlin Bird ID</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Go-to app for birders to identify species by photo or sound, powered by Cornell Lab experts</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/magazine/behind-birding-scenes-show-residence" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Residence"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Netflix murder mystery where the detective uses birding skills to spot clues others miss</span></li><li><a href="https://www.biography.com/athletes/michael-jordan" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Michael Jordan</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | NBA legend and six-time champion — his name's become shorthand for being the best</span></li><li><a href="https://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Honda Accord</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.motortrend.com/features/rarest-mustangs" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ford Mustang</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | One's an everyday car, the other a head-turner — a way to explain the gap between something common and something extraordinary</span></li><li><a href="https://sandiegofieldornithologists.org/?s=nancy+christensen" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Nancy Christensen</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Local birder and one of California's top listers</span></li><li><a href="https://pokemongo.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pokémon Go</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Popular mobile game that gets players outside to collect virtual creatures — similar to how birders track species</span></li><li><a href="https://www.max.com/movies/big-year/fdcc3165-89dc-42e8-9932-7168316d1cd0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Big Year"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2011 comedy starring Owen Wilson, Steve Martin and Jack Black as birders racing across North America to spot the most species in a calendar year — the movie's big year record is 750 species and you could get over halfway there just in San Diego</span></li><li><a href="https://tijuanaestuary.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tijuana River Estuary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Cross-border birding hotspot with incredible biodiversity</span></li><li><a href="https://www.petmd.com/dog/breeds/shih-tzu" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shih Tzu</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A toy breed whose name means "lion dog" — small but spirited</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdalliance.org/birding/local-birding-resources.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Local Birding Resources</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (San Diego Bird Alliance)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2024/03/03/big-year-for-two-local-birders-as-they-set-county-record-3/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Big year for two local birders as they set county record"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ernie Cowan, Union Tribune, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/science/bird-watching-coronavirus.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Birds Are Not on Lockdown, and More People Are Watching Them"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jacey Fortin, The New York Times, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdfestival.org/blog/soaring-to-new-heights-recapping-the-2025-san-diego-bird-festival" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Soaring to New Heights: Recapping the 2025 San Diego Bird Festival"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (San Diego Bird Alliance, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1617138122001960" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Predicting co-distribution patterns of parrots and woody plants under global changes: The case of the Lilac-crowned Amazon and Neotropical dry forests"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (María de Lourdes Nuñez Landa, Juan Carlos Montero Castro, Tiberio César Monterrubio-Rico, Sabina I. Lara-Cabrera and David A. Prieto-Torres, Journal for Nature Conservation, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/san-diegos-parrots-have-returned-how-did-they-get-here-in-the-first-place/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"San Diego's parrots have returned. How did they get here in the first place?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Danielle Dawson, FOX 5/KUSI, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ifaw.org/journal/what-is-poaching" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"What is poaching?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The International Fund for Animal Welfare, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://defenders.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Parrot%20Illegal%20Trade%20Decreases%202022%20%281%29_0.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Parrot Illegal Trade Decreases in Mexico 2022"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Juan Carlos Cantú Guzmán, María Elena Sánchez Saldaña, Emer García De la Puente and Jesús Manuel Pimentel Ontiveros, Defenders of Wildlife, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://laist.com/brief/news/climate-environment/scientists-studying-boisterous-parrots-los-angeles" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Help Study LA's Parrots"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jacob Margolis, LAist, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoaudubon.org/file_download/inline/7c2f1d86-38ac-4963-9c26-e74b53577b8f" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Naturalized Parrots of San Diego County"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lesley Handa, Sketches San Diego Audubon, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://hummingbirds.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/information/facts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Interesting Facts on Hummingbirds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UC Davis Hummingbird Health and Conservation Program / School of Veterinary Medicine)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/hummingbird-hearts-beat-10-times-faster-yours" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Hummingbird Hearts Beat 10 Times Faster Than Yours"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bob Sundstrom, BirdNote, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.aav.org/news/615010/The-Hummingbird-in-Mexican-Culture.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Hummingbird in Mexican Culture"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Vanessa Hernandez Urraca, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://birdsanctuary.kbs.msu.edu/2022/05/28/hummingbirds-the-champions-of-the-sky/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Hummingbirds, the champions of the sky"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Elizeth Cinto Mejía, W.K. Kellogg Biological Station Bird Sanctuary, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/when-birds-get-lost-space-storms-may-be-blame" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"When Birds Get Lost, Space Storms May Be to Blame"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rebecca Heisman, Audubon magazine, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/the-common-swift-new-record-holder-longest-uninterrupted-flight" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Common Swift Is the New Record Holder for Longest Uninterrupted Flight"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jenna O'Donnell, Audubon, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/articles/10.3389/fevo.2022.960841/full" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Editorial: Vagrancy, exploratory behavior and colonization by birds: Escape from extinction?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Richard Reed Veit, Lisa Louise Manne, Lucinda C. Zawadzki, Marlen Acosta Alamo and Robert William Henry, Frontiers in Ecology and Evolutionary Ecology, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/avilist-unified-global-checklist/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"AviList: A Unified Global Checklist of the World's Birds is Now Available"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (AviList Core Team, Cornell Lab of Ornithology, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/science/birds-birdwatching-record-kaestner.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"With an Orange-Tufted Spiderhunter, Birder Breaks Record for Sightings"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Joe Trezza, The New York Times, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5zVWD7f8xqcjqmqltc4WdNc/clark-s-grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Nature's Greatest Dancers"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (BBC One)</span></li></ul><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250625144436-THEFINESTBirdingMASTERV1.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="59424997"/><guid isPermaLink="false">966d08a0-520d-11f0-a33f-97936bb2e4db</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">San Diego is one of the most biodiverse birding regions in North America, with more than 500 recorded species — and its annual Bird Festival draws crowds from around the country. One of its most popular (and ambitious) events is the "100 or More" challenge: a daylong sprint to identify at least 100 different birds.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/chasing-100-birds-in-1-day-in-americas-birdiest-county-inside-the-birding-boom" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Meet the birds (and the birders) from the "100 Birds or More" field trip</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this episode, producer Anthony Wallace follows the action across scenic lakes, rugged foothills, city reservoirs and coastal wetlands to see how this classic hobby has taken on new energy.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Map:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&amp;mid=1Dpz3njJ8nHrS2W0bo9P8PLoJuDLIQdw&amp;ll=32.821298195355354%2C-117.04563999999999&amp;z=12" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego 100+ Birding Route</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Along the way, we meet passionate birders — both seasoned listers and recent enthusiasts — learn many mind-blowing bird facts and explore how birds inspire everything from healing to obsession to joy.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Anthony's top 4 reasons to love birding:</strong></p><ol><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Every bird has a story.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Bird migration is mind-blowing.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">It opens up your ears — you'll start noticing sounds you never paid attention to.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Bird behavior is entertaining and mesmerizing: bizarre, dramatic and constantly unfolding.</span></li></ol><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://youtu.be/fByZvRSeSiE" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Anthony's "A day in the life of a birder" video diary</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jen Hajj, </span><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdfestival.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Bird Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> coordinator for the </span><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdalliance.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Bird Alliance</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Rick Grove, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/B3BCOIlBSrW/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">birder</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/rickgroveweddingofficiant/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">wedding officiant</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://ebird.org/tripreport/335796" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"100 Birds or More" field trip</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> participants and guides, including </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/dorothy_arnold_photography/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Dorothy Arnold</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/scrichter/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Samantha Richter</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sandiegobirdguide/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mark Dayton</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/jehudy_c/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jehudy Carballo</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Bird species (in order of mention throughout the episode):</strong></p><ol><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lilac-crowned amazon (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/lilac-crowned-parrot" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tricolored blackbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/tricolored-blackbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Tricolored_Blackbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Great-tailed grackle (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/tricolored-blackbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Great-tailed_Grackle" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Yellow-rumped warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/yellow-rumped-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Yellow-rumped_Warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Song sparrow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/song-sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Song_Sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Black phoebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/black-phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black_Phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Phainopepla (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/phainopepla" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Phainopepla" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Neotropic cormorant (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/neotropic-cormorant" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Neotropic_Cormorant/overview" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Woodpecker (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/nuttalls-woodpecker" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Nuttalls_Woodpecker" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Townsend's warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/townsends-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Townsends_Warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Orange-crowned warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/orange-crowned-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Orange-crowned_Warbler/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Wilson's warbler (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/wilsons-warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Wilsons_Warbler" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Red-shouldered hawk (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/red-shouldered-hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Red-shouldered_Hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Allen's hummingbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/allens-hummingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Allens_Hummingbird/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><br></li><li>Black-crowned night heron (<a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/black-crowned-night-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-crowned_night_heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">California towhee (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/california-towhee" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/California_Towhee" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Cooper's hawk (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/coopers-hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Coopers_Hawk" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">California scrub-jay (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/california-scrub-jay" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/California_Scrub-Jay" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Oak titmouse (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/oak-titmouse" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Oak_Titmouse" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Gadwall (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/gadwall" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Gadwall" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Western grebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/western-grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Western_Grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Say's phoebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/says-phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Says_Phoebe/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Parakeet (</span><a href="https://www.britannica.com/animal/parakeet" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Britannica</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Cliff swallow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/cliff-swallow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Cliff_Swallow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Hooded oriole (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/hooded-oriole" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Hooded_Oriole" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Eastern phoebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/eastern-phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Eastern_Phoebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Common swift (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/the-common-swift-new-record-holder-longest-uninterrupted-flight" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://birdsoftheworld.org/bow/species/comswi/cur/introduction" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Birds of the World</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Iceland gull (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/iceland-gull" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Iceland_Gull" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Thick-billed kingbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/thick-billed-kingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Thick-billed_Kingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Yellow-crowned night heron (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/yellow-crowned-night-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Yellow-crowned_Night_Heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Little blue heron (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/little-blue-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Little_Blue_Heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Reddish egret (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/reddish-egret" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Reddish_Egret" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Tricolored heron (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/tricolored-heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Tricolored_Heron" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Anna's hummingbird (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/annas-hummingbird" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Annas_Hummingbird/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lark sparrow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/lark-sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Lark_Sparrow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">American crow (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/american-crow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/American_Crow" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Common raven (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/common-raven" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Common_Raven" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Clark's grebe (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/clarks-grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Clarks_Grebe/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Laughing falcon (</span><a href="https://birdsoftheworld.org/bow/species/laufal1/cur/introduction" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Birds of the World</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">American coot (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/american-coot" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/American_Coot/id" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">) </span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Least sandpiper (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/least-sandpiper" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Least_Sandpiper" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Whimbrel (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/whimbrel" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Whimbrel" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Elegant tern (</span><a href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/elegant-tern" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Audubon</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Elegant_Tern" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">All About Birds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">)</span></li></ol><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Birding terms to know:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Listers - Birders who keep track of every species they've seen.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Big Year - A challenge to spot as many bird species as possible in a single year.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Vagrants - Birds spotted outside the regions where they're typically found.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Rushing - A synchronized mating dance where birds like Western or Clark's grebes run side by side across the water's surface.</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Also mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ebird.org/home" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">eBird</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | One of the top birding apps to log sightings, find birding locations and track trends across regions</span></li><li><a href="https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Merlin Bird ID</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Go-to app for birders to identify species by photo or sound, powered by Cornell Lab experts</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/magazine/behind-birding-scenes-show-residence" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Residence"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Netflix murder mystery where the detective uses birding skills to spot clues others miss</span></li><li><a href="https://www.biography.com/athletes/michael-jordan" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Michael Jordan</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | NBA legend and six-time champion — his name's become shorthand for being the best</span></li><li><a href="https://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Honda Accord</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.motortrend.com/features/rarest-mustangs" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ford Mustang</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | One's an everyday car, the other a head-turner — a way to explain the gap between something common and something extraordinary</span></li><li><a href="https://sandiegofieldornithologists.org/?s=nancy+christensen" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Nancy Christensen</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Local birder and one of California's top listers</span></li><li><a href="https://pokemongo.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Pokémon Go</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Popular mobile game that gets players outside to collect virtual creatures — similar to how birders track species</span></li><li><a href="https://www.max.com/movies/big-year/fdcc3165-89dc-42e8-9932-7168316d1cd0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Big Year"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2011 comedy starring Owen Wilson, Steve Martin and Jack Black as birders racing across North America to spot the most species in a calendar year — the movie's big year record is 750 species and you could get over halfway there just in San Diego</span></li><li><a href="https://tijuanaestuary.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Tijuana River Estuary</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Cross-border birding hotspot with incredible biodiversity</span></li><li><a href="https://www.petmd.com/dog/breeds/shih-tzu" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shih Tzu</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A toy breed whose name means "lion dog" — small but spirited</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdalliance.org/birding/local-birding-resources.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Local Birding Resources</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (San Diego Bird Alliance)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2024/03/03/big-year-for-two-local-birders-as-they-set-county-record-3/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Big year for two local birders as they set county record"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Ernie Cowan, Union Tribune, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/science/bird-watching-coronavirus.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Birds Are Not on Lockdown, and More People Are Watching Them"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jacey Fortin, The New York Times, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegobirdfestival.org/blog/soaring-to-new-heights-recapping-the-2025-san-diego-bird-festival" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Soaring to New Heights: Recapping the 2025 San Diego Bird Festival"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (San Diego Bird Alliance, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1617138122001960" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Predicting co-distribution patterns of parrots and woody plants under global changes: The case of the Lilac-crowned Amazon and Neotropical dry forests"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (María de Lourdes Nuñez Landa, Juan Carlos Montero Castro, Tiberio César Monterrubio-Rico, Sabina I. Lara-Cabrera and David A. Prieto-Torres, Journal for Nature Conservation, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/san-diegos-parrots-have-returned-how-did-they-get-here-in-the-first-place/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"San Diego's parrots have returned. How did they get here in the first place?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Danielle Dawson, FOX 5/KUSI, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ifaw.org/journal/what-is-poaching" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"What is poaching?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (The International Fund for Animal Welfare, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://defenders.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Parrot%20Illegal%20Trade%20Decreases%202022%20%281%29_0.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Parrot Illegal Trade Decreases in Mexico 2022"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Juan Carlos Cantú Guzmán, María Elena Sánchez Saldaña, Emer García De la Puente and Jesús Manuel Pimentel Ontiveros, Defenders of Wildlife, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://laist.com/brief/news/climate-environment/scientists-studying-boisterous-parrots-los-angeles" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Help Study LA's Parrots"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jacob Margolis, LAist, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoaudubon.org/file_download/inline/7c2f1d86-38ac-4963-9c26-e74b53577b8f" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Naturalized Parrots of San Diego County"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lesley Handa, Sketches San Diego Audubon, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://hummingbirds.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/information/facts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Interesting Facts on Hummingbirds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UC Davis Hummingbird Health and Conservation Program / School of Veterinary Medicine)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/hummingbird-hearts-beat-10-times-faster-yours" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Hummingbird Hearts Beat 10 Times Faster Than Yours"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bob Sundstrom, BirdNote, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.aav.org/news/615010/The-Hummingbird-in-Mexican-Culture.htm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Hummingbird in Mexican Culture"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Vanessa Hernandez Urraca, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://birdsanctuary.kbs.msu.edu/2022/05/28/hummingbirds-the-champions-of-the-sky/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Hummingbirds, the champions of the sky"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Elizeth Cinto Mejía, W.K. Kellogg Biological Station Bird Sanctuary, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/when-birds-get-lost-space-storms-may-be-blame" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"When Birds Get Lost, Space Storms May Be to Blame"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rebecca Heisman, Audubon magazine, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.audubon.org/news/the-common-swift-new-record-holder-longest-uninterrupted-flight" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Common Swift Is the New Record Holder for Longest Uninterrupted Flight"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jenna O'Donnell, Audubon, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/ecology-and-evolution/articles/10.3389/fevo.2022.960841/full" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Editorial: Vagrancy, exploratory behavior and colonization by birds: Escape from extinction?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Richard Reed Veit, Lisa Louise Manne, Lucinda C. Zawadzki, Marlen Acosta Alamo and Robert William Henry, Frontiers in Ecology and Evolutionary Ecology, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/avilist-unified-global-checklist/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"AviList: A Unified Global Checklist of the World's Birds is Now Available"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (AviList Core Team, Cornell Lab of Ornithology, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/science/birds-birdwatching-record-kaestner.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"With an Orange-Tufted Spiderhunter, Birder Breaks Record for Sightings"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Joe Trezza, The New York Times, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5zVWD7f8xqcjqmqltc4WdNc/clark-s-grebe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Nature's Greatest Dancers"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (BBC One)</span></li></ul><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250625144443-birding_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:41:15</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250625144443-birding_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Tiny Desk local listening party: The Neighborhood Kids and Aleah Discavage</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">What started as a low-key folk set behind a desk in a newsroom has become one of music's most iconic stages. This year, NPR's Tiny Desk Contest drew a record-breaking nearly 7,500 entries. Among them were 75 hopefuls from San Diego, all dreaming of a breakthrough moment.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this episode, we spotlight two rising artists who stood out for their originality and emotional depth: Aleah Discavage, whose raw, autobiographical ballad is rooted in personal healing, and The Neighborhood Kids, who turned protest and passion into a high-voltage performance.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6PAPsDxRA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Aleah Discavage's NPR Tiny Desk Contest entry "runaways"</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PngQ8ZMq_p0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Neighborhood Kids' NPR Tiny Desk Contest entry "BIDDI BOMB x HUSH"</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Plus, we'll unpack the fascinating origin story of Tiny Desk, explore why this unconventional contest continues to resonate with artists and fans alike and hear what drives these musicians to keep creating — even when the stage is small and the odds are long.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/aleahdiscavage.music_/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Aleah Discavage</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/verdehiphop/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Verde</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/amon_the_mc/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Amon the MC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> of </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theneighborhoodkidsmusic" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Neighborhood Kids</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Tiny Desk Concerts mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcPS-21ZVMw" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ruby Ibarra</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Az1xWhdl0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Laura Gibson</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfzpYcwiUrA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Adele</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7EcT5YzKhQ%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Yo-Yo Ma</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdFCD3oXMZo%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The National</a></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2014/10/29/359661053/t-pain-tiny-desk-concert" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">T-Pain</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrR_gm6RqCo%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mac Miller</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4neLJQC1_E%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Dua Lipa</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ferZnZ0_rSM%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Anderson .Paak</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYjwsFz8iM%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fantastic Negrito</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42MiCMJ6DJU%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Naia Izumi</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPLVmkoQoU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJH6Lj0v6Y5/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua's NPR Top Shelf feature</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Aleah Discavage's influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://youtu.be/b7QlX3yR2xs?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Taylor Swift</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/NTpbbQUBbuo?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Hozier</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/cii6ruuycQA?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Olivia Rodrigo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/AEB6ibtdPZc?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Paramore</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Z-cM-EfcFEk?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Briston Maroney</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/NEO0GEcn0vM?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Krooked Kings</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">The Neighborhood Kids' influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1964/king/biographical/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Martin Luther King Jr.</a></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/malcolmx-timeline-malcolm-xs-life/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Malcolm X</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Mc2BncA0B_o?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Immortal Technique</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/9ZrAYxWPN6c?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">KRS-One</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Rm1nCYOZB-s?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Rage Against the Machine</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sxsw.com/attend/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">South by Southwest (SXSW)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Annual festival and conference in Austin, Texas, focused on tech, film, music, education and culture</span></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/03/31/1167297060/auto-tune-made-him-famous-t-pain-shows-off-his-natural-singing-voice-on-a-new-al" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Auto-tune</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Common term for pitch-correction software used to fix or stylize vocals in music production</span></li><li><a href="https://abc.com/show/baf4f444-36a4-4340-ac11-c570f0da4977" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"American Idol"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Reality TV singing competition that began in 2002 and popularized the rise of unknown singers to music stardom</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Voice memos | Mobile recording feature that many musicians use to capture song ideas and drafts on the go</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/0C58ttB2-Qg?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ringo Starr</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Drummer of The Beatles and solo artist, often cited by musicians as a musical influence and cultural icon</span></li><li><a href="https://www.keds.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Keds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | American shoe brand known for its simple canvas sneakers</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dreamworks.com/movies/shrek-2" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Shrek 2"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2004 animated sequel starring Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy and Cameron Diaz, following Shrek as he meets Fiona's royal parents</span></li><li><a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/beavis-and-butt-head/umc.cmc.30zowz6b8nt2n1ugyk8yb8k7r" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Beavis and Butt-Head"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 1990s MTV animated series starring two dim-witted teenage metalheads known for crude humor, social satire and music video commentary; later revived for new seasons and a 2022 film</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/series/1072544367/tiny-desk-contest" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Ruby Ibarra: Tiny Desk Concert"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Elle Mannion, NPR, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2008/04/22/89836427/laura-gibson-tiny-desk-concert" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Laura Gibson: Tiny Desk Concert"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bob Boilen, NPR, 2008)</span></li><li><a href="https://bobboilen.info/deeper-history" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Tiny Desk Unit: A deeper history"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Michael Barron, </span><a href="http://bobboilen.info/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">BobBoilen.info</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2007)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.berklee.edu/news/berklee-now/t-pain-effect-about-much-more-auto-tune" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The 'T-Pain Effect' Is About Way More Than Auto-Tune"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bryan Parys, Berklee, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/03/14/oakland-artist-fantastic-negrito-wins-yet-another-grammy-award/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Oakland artist Fantastic Negrito wins yet another Grammy Award"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jim Harrington, East Bay Times, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://floodmagazine.com/59573/naia-izumi-soft-spoken-original-tracks/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Naia Izumi Gets a Premium Wash in 'Soft Spoken' Video for Original Tracks"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Dean Brandt, Flood Magazine, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, ending right to abortion upheld for decades"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Nina Totenberg and Sarah McCammon, NPR, 2022)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250611143409-THEFINESTEPISODE9TINYDESKMASTERV1.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="60660347"/><guid isPermaLink="false">cf642570-470b-11f0-b5b4-8deb50bc7eec</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">What started as a low-key folk set behind a desk in a newsroom has become one of music's most iconic stages. This year, NPR's Tiny Desk Contest drew a record-breaking nearly 7,500 entries. Among them were 75 hopefuls from San Diego, all dreaming of a breakthrough moment.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this episode, we spotlight two rising artists who stood out for their originality and emotional depth: Aleah Discavage, whose raw, autobiographical ballad is rooted in personal healing, and The Neighborhood Kids, who turned protest and passion into a high-voltage performance.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6PAPsDxRA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Aleah Discavage's NPR Tiny Desk Contest entry "runaways"</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PngQ8ZMq_p0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">The Neighborhood Kids' NPR Tiny Desk Contest entry "BIDDI BOMB x HUSH"</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Plus, we'll unpack the fascinating origin story of Tiny Desk, explore why this unconventional contest continues to resonate with artists and fans alike and hear what drives these musicians to keep creating — even when the stage is small and the odds are long.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/aleahdiscavage.music_/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Aleah Discavage</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/verdehiphop/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Verde</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/amon_the_mc/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Amon the MC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> of </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/theneighborhoodkidsmusic" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Neighborhood Kids</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Tiny Desk Concerts mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcPS-21ZVMw" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ruby Ibarra</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Az1xWhdl0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Laura Gibson</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfzpYcwiUrA" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Adele</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7EcT5YzKhQ%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Yo-Yo Ma</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdFCD3oXMZo%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The National</a></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2014/10/29/359661053/t-pain-tiny-desk-concert" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">T-Pain</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrR_gm6RqCo%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mac Miller</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4neLJQC1_E%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Dua Lipa</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ferZnZ0_rSM%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Anderson .Paak</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYjwsFz8iM%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fantastic Negrito</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42MiCMJ6DJU%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Naia Izumi</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPLVmkoQoU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> / </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJH6Lj0v6Y5/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua's NPR Top Shelf feature</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Aleah Discavage's influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://youtu.be/b7QlX3yR2xs?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Taylor Swift</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/NTpbbQUBbuo?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Hozier</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/cii6ruuycQA?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Olivia Rodrigo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/AEB6ibtdPZc?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Paramore</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Z-cM-EfcFEk?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Briston Maroney</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/NEO0GEcn0vM?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Krooked Kings</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">The Neighborhood Kids' influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1964/king/biographical/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Martin Luther King Jr.</a></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/malcolmx-timeline-malcolm-xs-life/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Malcolm X</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Mc2BncA0B_o?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Immortal Technique</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/9ZrAYxWPN6c?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">KRS-One</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Rm1nCYOZB-s?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Rage Against the Machine</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sxsw.com/attend/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">South by Southwest (SXSW)</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Annual festival and conference in Austin, Texas, focused on tech, film, music, education and culture</span></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/03/31/1167297060/auto-tune-made-him-famous-t-pain-shows-off-his-natural-singing-voice-on-a-new-al" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Auto-tune</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Common term for pitch-correction software used to fix or stylize vocals in music production</span></li><li><a href="https://abc.com/show/baf4f444-36a4-4340-ac11-c570f0da4977" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"American Idol"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Reality TV singing competition that began in 2002 and popularized the rise of unknown singers to music stardom</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Voice memos | Mobile recording feature that many musicians use to capture song ideas and drafts on the go</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/0C58ttB2-Qg?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ringo Starr</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Drummer of The Beatles and solo artist, often cited by musicians as a musical influence and cultural icon</span></li><li><a href="https://www.keds.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Keds</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | American shoe brand known for its simple canvas sneakers</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dreamworks.com/movies/shrek-2" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Shrek 2"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2004 animated sequel starring Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy and Cameron Diaz, following Shrek as he meets Fiona's royal parents</span></li><li><a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/beavis-and-butt-head/umc.cmc.30zowz6b8nt2n1ugyk8yb8k7r" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Beavis and Butt-Head"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 1990s MTV animated series starring two dim-witted teenage metalheads known for crude humor, social satire and music video commentary; later revived for new seasons and a 2022 film</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/series/1072544367/tiny-desk-contest" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Ruby Ibarra: Tiny Desk Concert"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Elle Mannion, NPR, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2008/04/22/89836427/laura-gibson-tiny-desk-concert" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Laura Gibson: Tiny Desk Concert"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bob Boilen, NPR, 2008)</span></li><li><a href="https://bobboilen.info/deeper-history" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Tiny Desk Unit: A deeper history"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Michael Barron, </span><a href="http://bobboilen.info/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">BobBoilen.info</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, 2007)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.berklee.edu/news/berklee-now/t-pain-effect-about-much-more-auto-tune" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The 'T-Pain Effect' Is About Way More Than Auto-Tune"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Bryan Parys, Berklee, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/03/14/oakland-artist-fantastic-negrito-wins-yet-another-grammy-award/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Oakland artist Fantastic Negrito wins yet another Grammy Award"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jim Harrington, East Bay Times, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://floodmagazine.com/59573/naia-izumi-soft-spoken-original-tracks/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Naia Izumi Gets a Premium Wash in 'Soft Spoken' Video for Original Tracks"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Dean Brandt, Flood Magazine, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1102305878/supreme-court-abortion-roe-v-wade-decision-overturn" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, ending right to abortion upheld for decades"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Nina Totenberg and Sarah McCammon, NPR, 2022)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250611143420-tinydesk_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:42:07</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250611143420-tinydesk_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Worn, painted, reimagined: The power and complexity of Our Lady of Guadalupe</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Our Lady of Guadalupe is everywhere in art, memory and protest. She's instantly recognizable — hands in prayer, floral dress, starry mantle — but she represents much more than religious devotion. Her 500-year history weaves through colonial violence, activism, survival and cultural adaptation. Today, she remains a powerful symbol, embraced across generations, communities and identities.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"She's pervasive everywhere. She hangs on cars, people tattoo her on their bodies, and artists in particular have expanded that image. They might not look at her in religious terms, but they definitely look at her culturally," said Jeanette Rodriguez, a professor of theology at Seattle University.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">This episode explores the evolving meaning of her image through the lens of artists and scholars. Mingei International Museum curator Ariana Torres reflects on the contradictions that give Guadalupe lasting relevance. Theologian Jeanette Rodriguez offers a decolonial interpretation of her origin. Designer Claudia Rodríguez-Biezunski draws on family and heritage to bring la Virgen into contemporary fashion. And muralist Josue Baltezar shares how he honored the connection between the Virgin and an Indigenous earth deity.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/worn-painted-reimagined-the-power-and-complexity-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">See the artistry up close from Claudia Rodríguez-Biezunski's jacket to moments from our visit to the Mingei</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"I think that she's kind of been reclaimed since the beginning. I think reclamation is really what has built her. She's been reclaimed to be against Spain, to be the symbol of Mexican identity. And then she's been reclaimed to, I think, in a way, reject even a broader Mexican nationalist identity — to be like, this is a very personal symbol to me and it has nothing to do with maybe even just being Mexican," Torres said. "And I think it's really interesting how she has been reclaimed as a feminist figure with a lot of people."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Across borders and belief systems, Guadalupe's image lives on — reshaped by those who continue to find meaning in her presence.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.cafeconpam.com/youtube/fashioning-an-icon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ariana Torres</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, assistant curator at </span><a href="https://mingei.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mingei International Museum</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2023/03/22/chicana-fashion-designer-creating-a-beautiful-life-in-barrio-logan" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Claudia Rodríguez-Biezunski</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, fashion designer and owner of </span><a href="https://sewloka.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Sew Loka</a></li><li><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/media/seattle-university/directory/faculty-amp-staff-directory/files/Jeanette-Rodriguez-CV-2019.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jeanette Rodriguez, PhD</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Professor of Theology at </span><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/directory/profiles/jeanette-rodriguez-phd.php" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Seattle University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.josuebaltezar.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Josue Baltezar</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, muralist and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DJhdMMXSRIB/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">designer</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.lasmaestrascenter.ucsb.edu/yolanda-lopez-1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Yolanda López</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Chicana artist and activist known for reimagining Our Lady of Guadalupe as a symbol of empowerment</span></li><li><a href="https://mingei.org/exhibitions/fashioning-an-icon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Fashioning an Icon: Virgin of Guadalupe Imagery in Textile Design"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Exhibition exploring the Virgin of Guadalupe's influence on textile design and fashion currently on view at Mingei International Museum&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nahuatl-language" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Nahuatl</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Indigenous language of the Aztecs, still spoken today in parts of Mexico and the United States</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dailynews.com/2014/01/11/northridge-earthquake-1994-quake-still-fresh-in-los-angeles-minds-after-20-years/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Northridge earthquake</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 6.7-magnitude quake that struck Los Angeles in 1994, causing widespread damage and lasting trauma</span></li><li><a href="https://www.olgsd.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Our Lady of Guadalupe Church</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Catholic church in Logan Heights that also runs an elementary school</span></li><li><a href="https://www.lasmaestrascenter.ucsb.edu/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Las Maestras Center</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | UCSB-based organization uplifting Chicana, Latina and Indigenous feminisms through research and storytelling</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ariannaytselle.com/about-1-1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Arianna Ystelle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Chicana photographer whose photo series in "Fashioning an Icon" captures 30 portraits taken across San Diego and Tijuana</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dbenavidez.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Diana Benavídez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Binational artist from the San Diego-Tijuana border region known for piñata art that blends pop culture and social commentary, including </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/04/03/virgin-of-guadalupe-style-meets-an-icon-in-new-mingei-exhibit" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Even Guadalupe Needs a Break,"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> featured in "Fashioning an Icon"</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/mexican-catholicism-conquest-faith-and-resistance" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mexican Catholicism: Conquest, Faith, and Resistance"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jessica Frankovich, Berkley Center for Religion, Peace &amp; World Affairs, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/mexico-independence-day-confusion-cinco-de-mayo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mexico's Independence Day marks the beginning of a decade-long revolution"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Heather Brady, National Geographic, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://theconversation.com/pilgrimage-and-revolution-how-cesar-chavez-married-faith-and-ideology-in-landmark-farmworkers-march-200043" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Pilgrimage and revolution: How Cesar Chavez married faith and ideology in landmark farmworkers' march"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lloyd Daniel Barba, The Conversation, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://sewloka.com/updates/2024/3/10/sew-loka-creates-4-x-jackets-for-the-san-diego-international-airport-worlddesigncapital2024" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Sew Loka creates 4 x Jackets for the San Diego International Airport"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sew Loka, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Earth system impacts of the European arrival and Great Dying in the Americas after 1492"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alexander Koch, Chris Brierley, Mark M. Maslin, Simon L. Lewis, Quaternary Science Reviews, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/fifth-sun-9780190673062?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Fifth Sun: A New History of the Aztecs"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Camilla Townsend, Oxford University Press, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-smallpox-devastated-the-aztecs-and-helped-spain-conquer-an-american-civilization-500-years-ago" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How smallpox devastated the Aztecs – and helped Spain conquer an American civilization 500 years ago"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Richard Gunderman, The Conversation via PBS News, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://icaa.mfah.org/s/en/item/846181#?c=&amp;m=&amp;s=&amp;cv=1&amp;xywh=-552%2C-161%2C3988%2C2232" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Yolanda M. López: Works: 1975-1978</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UC San Diego MFA Thesis Exhibition Program, 1978)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2021/09/16/remembering-yolanda-lopez-chicana-artist-san-diego" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Remembering Yolanda López, Chicana Artist And Activist From Barrio Logan"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/newsletter/2022-04-02/essential-arts-yolanda-lopez-portrait-of-the-artist-mcasd-essential-arts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How painter Yolanda López gave the Virgin of Guadalupe a feminist tweak"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Carolina A. Miranda, Los Angeles Times, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://mexiconewsdaily.com/culture/is-our-lady-of-guadalupe-inspired-by-the-goddess-tonantzin/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Is our Lady of Guadalupe inspired by the goddess Tonantzin?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mexico News Daily, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/swc.2004.10.2.250" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"From Coatlicue to Guadalupe: The Image of the Great Mother in Mexico"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Patrizia Granziera, Studies in World Christianity, 2004</span></li><li><a href="https://adw.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/11/OLG-Explained.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Our Lady of Guadalupe Explained</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Steubenville Press via The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Washington, 2013)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250604141006-THEFINESTEpisode8ICONMasterV11.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="48598910"/><guid isPermaLink="false">4a5aa9e0-4188-11f0-9120-537dc94607c5</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Our Lady of Guadalupe is everywhere in art, memory and protest. She's instantly recognizable — hands in prayer, floral dress, starry mantle — but she represents much more than religious devotion. Her 500-year history weaves through colonial violence, activism, survival and cultural adaptation. Today, she remains a powerful symbol, embraced across generations, communities and identities.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"She's pervasive everywhere. She hangs on cars, people tattoo her on their bodies, and artists in particular have expanded that image. They might not look at her in religious terms, but they definitely look at her culturally," said Jeanette Rodriguez, a professor of theology at Seattle University.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">This episode explores the evolving meaning of her image through the lens of artists and scholars. Mingei International Museum curator Ariana Torres reflects on the contradictions that give Guadalupe lasting relevance. Theologian Jeanette Rodriguez offers a decolonial interpretation of her origin. Designer Claudia Rodríguez-Biezunski draws on family and heritage to bring la Virgen into contemporary fashion. And muralist Josue Baltezar shares how he honored the connection between the Virgin and an Indigenous earth deity.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/worn-painted-reimagined-the-power-and-complexity-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">See the artistry up close from Claudia Rodríguez-Biezunski's jacket to moments from our visit to the Mingei</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"I think that she's kind of been reclaimed since the beginning. I think reclamation is really what has built her. She's been reclaimed to be against Spain, to be the symbol of Mexican identity. And then she's been reclaimed to, I think, in a way, reject even a broader Mexican nationalist identity — to be like, this is a very personal symbol to me and it has nothing to do with maybe even just being Mexican," Torres said. "And I think it's really interesting how she has been reclaimed as a feminist figure with a lot of people."</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Across borders and belief systems, Guadalupe's image lives on — reshaped by those who continue to find meaning in her presence.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.cafeconpam.com/youtube/fashioning-an-icon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ariana Torres</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, assistant curator at </span><a href="https://mingei.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Mingei International Museum</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2023/03/22/chicana-fashion-designer-creating-a-beautiful-life-in-barrio-logan" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Claudia Rodríguez-Biezunski</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, fashion designer and owner of </span><a href="https://sewloka.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Sew Loka</a></li><li><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/media/seattle-university/directory/faculty-amp-staff-directory/files/Jeanette-Rodriguez-CV-2019.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jeanette Rodriguez, PhD</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Professor of Theology at </span><a href="https://www.seattleu.edu/directory/profiles/jeanette-rodriguez-phd.php" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Seattle University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.josuebaltezar.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Josue Baltezar</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, muralist and </span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DJhdMMXSRIB/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">designer</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.lasmaestrascenter.ucsb.edu/yolanda-lopez-1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Yolanda López</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Chicana artist and activist known for reimagining Our Lady of Guadalupe as a symbol of empowerment</span></li><li><a href="https://mingei.org/exhibitions/fashioning-an-icon" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Fashioning an Icon: Virgin of Guadalupe Imagery in Textile Design"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Exhibition exploring the Virgin of Guadalupe's influence on textile design and fashion currently on view at Mingei International Museum </span></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nahuatl-language" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Nahuatl</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Indigenous language of the Aztecs, still spoken today in parts of Mexico and the United States</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dailynews.com/2014/01/11/northridge-earthquake-1994-quake-still-fresh-in-los-angeles-minds-after-20-years/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Northridge earthquake</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | A 6.7-magnitude quake that struck Los Angeles in 1994, causing widespread damage and lasting trauma</span></li><li><a href="https://www.olgsd.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Our Lady of Guadalupe Church</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Catholic church in Logan Heights that also runs an elementary school</span></li><li><a href="https://www.lasmaestrascenter.ucsb.edu/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Las Maestras Center</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | UCSB-based organization uplifting Chicana, Latina and Indigenous feminisms through research and storytelling</span></li><li><a href="https://www.ariannaytselle.com/about-1-1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Arianna Ystelle</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Chicana photographer whose photo series in "Fashioning an Icon" captures 30 portraits taken across San Diego and Tijuana</span></li><li><a href="https://www.dbenavidez.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Diana Benavídez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Binational artist from the San Diego-Tijuana border region known for piñata art that blends pop culture and social commentary, including </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/04/03/virgin-of-guadalupe-style-meets-an-icon-in-new-mingei-exhibit" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Even Guadalupe Needs a Break,"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> featured in "Fashioning an Icon"</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/mexican-catholicism-conquest-faith-and-resistance" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mexican Catholicism: Conquest, Faith, and Resistance"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jessica Frankovich, Berkley Center for Religion, Peace &amp; World Affairs, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/mexico-independence-day-confusion-cinco-de-mayo" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mexico's Independence Day marks the beginning of a decade-long revolution"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Heather Brady, National Geographic, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://theconversation.com/pilgrimage-and-revolution-how-cesar-chavez-married-faith-and-ideology-in-landmark-farmworkers-march-200043" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Pilgrimage and revolution: How Cesar Chavez married faith and ideology in landmark farmworkers' march"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Lloyd Daniel Barba, The Conversation, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://sewloka.com/updates/2024/3/10/sew-loka-creates-4-x-jackets-for-the-san-diego-international-airport-worlddesigncapital2024" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Sew Loka creates 4 x Jackets for the San Diego International Airport"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sew Loka, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Earth system impacts of the European arrival and Great Dying in the Americas after 1492"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alexander Koch, Chris Brierley, Mark M. Maslin, Simon L. Lewis, Quaternary Science Reviews, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/fifth-sun-9780190673062?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Fifth Sun: A New History of the Aztecs"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Camilla Townsend, Oxford University Press, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-smallpox-devastated-the-aztecs-and-helped-spain-conquer-an-american-civilization-500-years-ago" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How smallpox devastated the Aztecs – and helped Spain conquer an American civilization 500 years ago"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Richard Gunderman, The Conversation via PBS News, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://icaa.mfah.org/s/en/item/846181#?c=&amp;m=&amp;s=&amp;cv=1&amp;xywh=-552%2C-161%2C3988%2C2232" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Yolanda M. López: Works: 1975-1978</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UC San Diego MFA Thesis Exhibition Program, 1978)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2021/09/16/remembering-yolanda-lopez-chicana-artist-san-diego" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Remembering Yolanda López, Chicana Artist And Activist From Barrio Logan"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/newsletter/2022-04-02/essential-arts-yolanda-lopez-portrait-of-the-artist-mcasd-essential-arts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How painter Yolanda López gave the Virgin of Guadalupe a feminist tweak"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Carolina A. Miranda, Los Angeles Times, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://mexiconewsdaily.com/culture/is-our-lady-of-guadalupe-inspired-by-the-goddess-tonantzin/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Is our Lady of Guadalupe inspired by the goddess Tonantzin?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mexico News Daily, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/swc.2004.10.2.250" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"From Coatlicue to Guadalupe: The Image of the Great Mother in Mexico"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Patrizia Granziera, Studies in World Christianity, 2004</span></li><li><a href="https://adw.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/11/OLG-Explained.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Our Lady of Guadalupe Explained</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Steubenville Press via The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Washington, 2013)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/worn-painted-reimagined-the-power-and-complexity-of-our-lady-of-guadalupe</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250604140121-guadalupe_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:33:44</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250604140121-guadalupe_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Bonus: The team behind The Finest talks arts and culture</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In this first-ever bonus episode of The Finest, we're flipping things around. Host Julia Dixon Evans sits down with producer Anthony Wallace and editor Chrissy Nguyen in a casual conversation recorded at the SDSU theater next to KPBS. We unpack big questions (what is art?), share our hottest takes (sorry, Mona Lisa) and talk about how the show comes together each week. You'll hear how each of us brings a unique perspective to the show, why relatability is our storytelling secret weapon and what keeps us inspired. Expect thoughtful moments, surprising opinions and the kind of banter that comes from real collaboration.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Prefer to watch? This episode is on </span><a href="https://youtu.be/9MtJwyQR964" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">video</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> too.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ttf.sdsu.edu/about/theatre-facilities" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">SDSU Main Stage Theatre</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego State University's main performance venue, home to student-led plays, musicals and showcases from the School of Theatre, Television and Film</span></li><li><a href="https://www.reunifyyoga.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">reUnify Yoga</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Ocean Beach studio Anthony attended, where a teacher once gave an artistic live singing performance during shavasana</span></li><li><a href="https://www.yogajournal.com/poses/corpse-pose-2/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shavasana</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Also called corpse pose, the final stretch where you lie flat on your back to rest, reflect and reset</span></li><li><a href="https://www.louvre.fr/en/explore/visitor-trails/beyonce-and-jay-z-s-louvre-highlights/the-mona-lisa" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Mona Lisa at The Lourve</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 16th-century portrait, sealed behind glass in the world's most visited museum in Paris</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.org/articles/baja-california/experience-baja-california-mexico.aspx" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego's proximity to Mexico</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Just 20 minutes from the border, with deep cultural, culinary and family ties to Tijuana and Baja California</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">San Diego sports teams | </span><a href="https://www.mlb.com/padres/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Padres</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (MLB) at Petco Park, </span><a href="https://sandiegowavefc.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Wave FC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (NWSL) and </span><a href="https://www.sandiegofc.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego FC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (MLS) at Snapdragon Stadium, and the </span><a href="https://www.sandiegogulls.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Gulls</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (AHL) at Pechanga Arena</span></li><li><a href="https://sdusdjrotc.org/history-3/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">JROTC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | High school program combining military structure with leadership training, public service and civic education; San Diego has one of the largest cadet programs in the U.S.</span></li><li><a href="https://gifilmfestivalsd.org/2025/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">G.I. Film Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Annual San Diego film fest spotlighting stories by and about service members, veterans and military families</span></li><li><a href="https://convoydistrict.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Convoy District</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Foodie haven in Kearny Mesa rooted in Asian American culture, with bustling plazas, family-run businesses and grocery staples like H-Mart and Mitsuwa</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/opinion/martin-scorsese-marvel.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Martin Scorsese: I Said Marvel Movies Aren't Cinema. Let Me Explain."</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Martin Scorsese, The New York Times, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sporcle.com/games/bam_thwok/toddler-art-or-modern-art1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Quiz: Toddler Art or Modern Art?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sporcle)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-duchamps-urinal-changed-art-forever" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How Duchamp's Urinal Changed Art Forever"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jon Mann, Artsy, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/18/world/europe/mona-lisa-the-theft/index.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mona Lisa: The theft that created a legend"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sheena McKenzie, CNN, 2013)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"PARU Tea: How the viral matcha spot is transforming tea culture with love and purpose"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2018/01/12/chargers-leave-san-diego-a-timeline-of-2017/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Chargers leave San Diego: A timeline of 2017"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Annie Heilbrunn, The San Diego Union-Tribune, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/series/soccer-a-la-frontera" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Soccer a la Frontera"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jacob Aere, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250528124424-THEFINESTEpisode7TeamTalksMASTERV31.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="36917283"/><guid isPermaLink="false">28b0bde0-3bfc-11f0-a886-99df47802782</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In this first-ever bonus episode of The Finest, we're flipping things around. Host Julia Dixon Evans sits down with producer Anthony Wallace and editor Chrissy Nguyen in a casual conversation recorded at the SDSU theater next to KPBS. We unpack big questions (what is art?), share our hottest takes (sorry, Mona Lisa) and talk about how the show comes together each week. You'll hear how each of us brings a unique perspective to the show, why relatability is our storytelling secret weapon and what keeps us inspired. Expect thoughtful moments, surprising opinions and the kind of banter that comes from real collaboration.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Prefer to watch? This episode is on </span><a href="https://youtu.be/9MtJwyQR964" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">video</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> too.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ttf.sdsu.edu/about/theatre-facilities" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">SDSU Main Stage Theatre</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | San Diego State University's main performance venue, home to student-led plays, musicals and showcases from the School of Theatre, Television and Film</span></li><li><a href="https://www.reunifyyoga.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">reUnify Yoga</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Ocean Beach studio Anthony attended, where a teacher once gave an artistic live singing performance during shavasana</span></li><li><a href="https://www.yogajournal.com/poses/corpse-pose-2/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shavasana</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Also called corpse pose, the final stretch where you lie flat on your back to rest, reflect and reset</span></li><li><a href="https://www.louvre.fr/en/explore/visitor-trails/beyonce-and-jay-z-s-louvre-highlights/the-mona-lisa" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Mona Lisa at The Lourve</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 16th-century portrait, sealed behind glass in the world's most visited museum in Paris</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.org/articles/baja-california/experience-baja-california-mexico.aspx" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego's proximity to Mexico</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Just 20 minutes from the border, with deep cultural, culinary and family ties to Tijuana and Baja California</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">San Diego sports teams | </span><a href="https://www.mlb.com/padres/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Padres</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (MLB) at Petco Park, </span><a href="https://sandiegowavefc.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Wave FC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (NWSL) and </span><a href="https://www.sandiegofc.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego FC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (MLS) at Snapdragon Stadium, and the </span><a href="https://www.sandiegogulls.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Gulls</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (AHL) at Pechanga Arena</span></li><li><a href="https://sdusdjrotc.org/history-3/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">JROTC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | High school program combining military structure with leadership training, public service and civic education; San Diego has one of the largest cadet programs in the U.S.</span></li><li><a href="https://gifilmfestivalsd.org/2025/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">G.I. Film Festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Annual San Diego film fest spotlighting stories by and about service members, veterans and military families</span></li><li><a href="https://convoydistrict.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Convoy District</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Foodie haven in Kearny Mesa rooted in Asian American culture, with bustling plazas, family-run businesses and grocery staples like H-Mart and Mitsuwa</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/opinion/martin-scorsese-marvel.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Martin Scorsese: I Said Marvel Movies Aren't Cinema. Let Me Explain."</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Martin Scorsese, The New York Times, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sporcle.com/games/bam_thwok/toddler-art-or-modern-art1" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Quiz: Toddler Art or Modern Art?</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sporcle)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-duchamps-urinal-changed-art-forever" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How Duchamp's Urinal Changed Art Forever"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jon Mann, Artsy, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/18/world/europe/mona-lisa-the-theft/index.html" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mona Lisa: The theft that created a legend"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Sheena McKenzie, CNN, 2013)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"PARU Tea: How the viral matcha spot is transforming tea culture with love and purpose"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans and Anthony Wallace, KPBS, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2018/01/12/chargers-leave-san-diego-a-timeline-of-2017/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Chargers leave San Diego: A timeline of 2017"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Annie Heilbrunn, The San Diego Union-Tribune, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/series/soccer-a-la-frontera" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Soccer a la Frontera"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Jacob Aere, KPBS, 2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/bonus-the-team-behind-the-finest-talks-arts-and-culture</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250528124305-cover_teamtalk.png"/><itunes:duration>00:25:37</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250528124305-cover_teamtalk.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>San Diego's last alt-weekly stops the presses, but it's not giving up yet</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">For decades, alt-weeklies like the San Diego Reader were a city's rebellious voice, digging into local politics, covering underground arts and publishing stories no one else would. But their survival depended on classified ads and print advertising, both of which were decimated by Craigslist and the rise of digital media. Now, one by one, these once-essential papers are vanishing. As the Reader ends its print run, we look at what their disappearance means for local journalism.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">"They were irreverent. They were conversational. They had a point of view, but they also had a way of looking at the news of the day from a different angle because they knew they had to be different," said Scott Lewis of Voice of San Diego. Lewis began his career writing for an alt-weekly in Salt Lake City, Utah.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Photos:</strong><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/san-diegos-last-alt-weekly-stops-the-presses-but-its-not-giving-up-yet" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A final glimpse inside the now-closed San Diego Reader office</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">"And so I think it's demise as a print product — as something that was available, especially the music stuff — it's a bummer to think that these major cities are now going to continue, maybe forever, without that staple of the coffee shops. That thing you could pick up to look at what's coming up, just to have. Print products were the original mobile, right? That's what you could carry with you — and now it's gone."</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Matthew Lickona, owner and editor in chief of </span><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">San Diego Reader&nbsp;</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jim Holman, founder of San Diego Reader</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Scott Lewis, CEO and editor in chief of </span><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Voice of San Diego</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jesse Munyoki, KPBS student assistant and host of KCR's DaCulture</span></li></ul><p><em style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Voice of San Diego is a nonprofit news partner of KPBS in our </em><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/public-matters" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;"><em>Public Matters</em></a><em style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> series.</em></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Alt-weekly reads:&nbsp;</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/287714/insomnia/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Insomnia"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Ta-Nehisi Coates</span></li><li><a href="https://www.laweekly.com/a-pretty-good-chinese-restaurant/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"A Pretty Good Chinese Restaurant"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Jonathan Gold</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2022/oct/12/cover-small-bites-readers-best-stories/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Fifty years of the Reader's best stories"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by San Diego Reader authors</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2015/mar/11/cover-vietnamese-say-american-white/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Tam Hoang, Coronado teacher, recounts his voyage to English"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Tam Hoang&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1992/sep/10/cover-the-frontier-they-want-us-to-forget/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Loma Portal and Midway District during WWII - a walking tour"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Margot Sheehan&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.cityweekly.net/utah/feeding-frenzy/Content?oid=2129079" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Why Elizabeth Smart Became a Household Name"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Scott Lewis&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1995/nov/22/cover-gone-to-seed/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"San Diego Orchids &amp; Onions winners, 20 years later"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Matthew Lickona&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2025/feb/12/cover-coronado-coronation/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Marilyn Monroe will always be in Coronado"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Matthew Lickona</span></li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180712203540/http://sdcitybeat.com/special-issues/staycation-issue/trailblazing-without-a-screen/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Trailblazing without a screen"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Julia Dixon Evans</span></li><li><a href="https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/bob-rabbit-abe-zucca-gallery-october-18-11374292" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"'We're Gonna Make It': Bob Rabbit Transforms His Beats Into a Heroic Mission"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Anthony Wallace&nbsp;</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Matthew Lickona's reading list:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.abebooks.com/9780679746317/Old-Hotel-Mitchell-Joseph-0679746315/plp" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Up in the Old Hotel and Other Stories" by Joseph Mitchell</a></li><li><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250338341/thepumphousegang/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"The Pump House Gang" by Tom Wolfe</a></li><li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/540750/on-the-road-by-jack-kerouac-introduction-by-ann-charters/9780142437254" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"On the Road" by Jack Kerouac</a></li><li><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781429961141/theelectrickoolaidacidtest/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe</a></li><li><a href="https://www.reachcambridge.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-5th-August-Afternoon-Session-Oversharing-Joan-Didion-The-White-Album.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"The White Album" by Joan Didion</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sandiego.craigslist.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Craigslist</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Online classifieds site launched in 1995, with a San Diego edition added in 2000, known for its no-frills design and endless odd finds</span></li><li><a href="https://www.lapensionehotel.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">La Pensione Hotel</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | European-style boutique hotel in San Diego's Little Italy</span></li><li><a href="https://chicagoreader.com/news/bob-roth-co-owner-1971-2007-on-the-readers-early-days/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Bob Roth</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Founder of the Chicago Reader, the influential alt-weekly he launched in 1971</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Rotten Tomatoes</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Movie and TV review site launched in 1998 that distills critical consensus into one score</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/gonzo/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Gonzo Report</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Recurring column in the San Diego Reader delivering boots-on-the-ground dispatches from San Diego's music scene and beyond</span></li><li><a href="https://www.blockbuster.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Blockbuster</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Video rental giant that ruled living rooms from its 1985 founding through the early 2000s</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/ernie-grimm/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Ernie Grimm</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Former managing editor of the San Diego Reader, recruited alongside Matthew Lickona by the paper</span></li><li><a href="https://kcr.sdsu.edu/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">KCR College Radio</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Student-run San Diego State University station broadcasting indie, punk and campus voices</span></li><li><a href="https://www.babandfriends.com/membership" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Burn All Books' Mail Mag</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Subscription-based zine mailing packed with art, poetry and writing from BAB and friends, sent via postal mail each month</span></li><li><a href="https://substack.com/home" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Substack</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Newsletter platform that gives writers a new way to publish and get paid</span></li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">The New Yorker</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Esteemed magazine known for longform journalism, fiction, and sharp cultural commentary.</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">The Atlantic</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Influential publication offering in-depth reporting and essays on politics, culture, and American life.</span></li><li><a href="https://www.hoteldel.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Hotel del Coronado</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Iconic beachfront hotel known for its ghost lore, Victorian design and as the filming location for 1959's </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97TYs2YXbJw" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Some Like It Hot"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> starring Marilyn Monroe</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.poynter.org/tech-tools/2017/are-alt-weeklies-dying-or-just-changing-and-moving-online2/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Are alt-weeklies dying or just moving online?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kristen Hare, Poynter, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/2019/09/03/no-ones-sure-what-the-new-citybeat-will-look-like/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"No One's Sure What the New CityBeat Will Look Like"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, Voice of San Diego, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/02/19/san-diego-reader-ends-print-edition-after-52-years" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"San Diego Reader ends print edition after 52 years"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-tv-guide-magazine-sale-ntvb-media-20151007-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"TV Guide Magazine is sold for the third time in less than 10 years to NTVB Media</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Stephen Battaglio, Los Angeles Times, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.inpublishing.co.uk/articles/readers-digest-changes-hands-2371" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Reader's Digest changes hands"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (InPublishing, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/creativedestruction.asp" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Creative Destruction: Out With the Old, in With the New"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Carol M. Kopp, Investopedia, 2023)</span></li></ul><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250514122147-ALTREADEREpisodeMasterV2.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="49421530"/><guid isPermaLink="false">adc247a0-30f8-11f0-a3de-3b50894c8d95</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">For decades, alt-weeklies like the San Diego Reader were a city's rebellious voice, digging into local politics, covering underground arts and publishing stories no one else would. But their survival depended on classified ads and print advertising, both of which were decimated by Craigslist and the rise of digital media. Now, one by one, these once-essential papers are vanishing. As the Reader ends its print run, we look at what their disappearance means for local journalism.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">"They were irreverent. They were conversational. They had a point of view, but they also had a way of looking at the news of the day from a different angle because they knew they had to be different," said Scott Lewis of Voice of San Diego. Lewis began his career writing for an alt-weekly in Salt Lake City, Utah.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Photos:</strong><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/san-diegos-last-alt-weekly-stops-the-presses-but-its-not-giving-up-yet" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A final glimpse inside the now-closed San Diego Reader office</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">"And so I think it's demise as a print product — as something that was available, especially the music stuff — it's a bummer to think that these major cities are now going to continue, maybe forever, without that staple of the coffee shops. That thing you could pick up to look at what's coming up, just to have. Print products were the original mobile, right? That's what you could carry with you — and now it's gone."</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Matthew Lickona, owner and editor in chief of </span><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">San Diego Reader </a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jim Holman, founder of San Diego Reader</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Scott Lewis, CEO and editor in chief of </span><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Voice of San Diego</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Jesse Munyoki, KPBS student assistant and host of KCR's DaCulture</span></li></ul><p><em style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Voice of San Diego is a nonprofit news partner of KPBS in our </em><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/public-matters" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;"><em>Public Matters</em></a><em style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> series.</em></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Alt-weekly reads: </strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/287714/insomnia/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Insomnia"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Ta-Nehisi Coates</span></li><li><a href="https://www.laweekly.com/a-pretty-good-chinese-restaurant/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"A Pretty Good Chinese Restaurant"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Jonathan Gold</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2022/oct/12/cover-small-bites-readers-best-stories/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Fifty years of the Reader's best stories"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by San Diego Reader authors</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2015/mar/11/cover-vietnamese-say-american-white/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Tam Hoang, Coronado teacher, recounts his voyage to English"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Tam Hoang </span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1992/sep/10/cover-the-frontier-they-want-us-to-forget/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Loma Portal and Midway District during WWII - a walking tour"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Margot Sheehan </span></li><li><a href="https://www.cityweekly.net/utah/feeding-frenzy/Content?oid=2129079" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Why Elizabeth Smart Became a Household Name"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Scott Lewis </span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/1995/nov/22/cover-gone-to-seed/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"San Diego Orchids &amp; Onions winners, 20 years later"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Matthew Lickona </span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2025/feb/12/cover-coronado-coronation/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Marilyn Monroe will always be in Coronado"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Matthew Lickona</span></li><li><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180712203540/http://sdcitybeat.com/special-issues/staycation-issue/trailblazing-without-a-screen/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Trailblazing without a screen"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Julia Dixon Evans</span></li><li><a href="https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/bob-rabbit-abe-zucca-gallery-october-18-11374292" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"'We're Gonna Make It': Bob Rabbit Transforms His Beats Into a Heroic Mission"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Anthony Wallace </span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Matthew Lickona's reading list:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.abebooks.com/9780679746317/Old-Hotel-Mitchell-Joseph-0679746315/plp" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Up in the Old Hotel and Other Stories" by Joseph Mitchell</a></li><li><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250338341/thepumphousegang/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"The Pump House Gang" by Tom Wolfe</a></li><li><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/540750/on-the-road-by-jack-kerouac-introduction-by-ann-charters/9780142437254" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"On the Road" by Jack Kerouac</a></li><li><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781429961141/theelectrickoolaidacidtest/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe</a></li><li><a href="https://www.reachcambridge.com/wp-content/uploads/Friday-5th-August-Afternoon-Session-Oversharing-Joan-Didion-The-White-Album.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"The White Album" by Joan Didion</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sandiego.craigslist.org/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Craigslist</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Online classifieds site launched in 1995, with a San Diego edition added in 2000, known for its no-frills design and endless odd finds</span></li><li><a href="https://www.lapensionehotel.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">La Pensione Hotel</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | European-style boutique hotel in San Diego's Little Italy</span></li><li><a href="https://chicagoreader.com/news/bob-roth-co-owner-1971-2007-on-the-readers-early-days/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Bob Roth</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Founder of the Chicago Reader, the influential alt-weekly he launched in 1971</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rottentomatoes.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Rotten Tomatoes</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Movie and TV review site launched in 1998 that distills critical consensus into one score</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/gonzo/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Gonzo Report</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Recurring column in the San Diego Reader delivering boots-on-the-ground dispatches from San Diego's music scene and beyond</span></li><li><a href="https://www.blockbuster.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Blockbuster</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Video rental giant that ruled living rooms from its 1985 founding through the early 2000s</span></li><li><a href="https://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/ernie-grimm/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Ernie Grimm</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Former managing editor of the San Diego Reader, recruited alongside Matthew Lickona by the paper</span></li><li><a href="https://kcr.sdsu.edu/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">KCR College Radio</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Student-run San Diego State University station broadcasting indie, punk and campus voices</span></li><li><a href="https://www.babandfriends.com/membership" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Burn All Books' Mail Mag</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Subscription-based zine mailing packed with art, poetry and writing from BAB and friends, sent via postal mail each month</span></li><li><a href="https://substack.com/home" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Substack</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Newsletter platform that gives writers a new way to publish and get paid</span></li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">The New Yorker</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Esteemed magazine known for longform journalism, fiction, and sharp cultural commentary.</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">The Atlantic</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Influential publication offering in-depth reporting and essays on politics, culture, and American life.</span></li><li><a href="https://www.hoteldel.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Hotel del Coronado</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Iconic beachfront hotel known for its ghost lore, Victorian design and as the filming location for 1959's </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97TYs2YXbJw" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Some Like It Hot"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> starring Marilyn Monroe</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.poynter.org/tech-tools/2017/are-alt-weeklies-dying-or-just-changing-and-moving-online2/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Are alt-weeklies dying or just moving online?"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kristen Hare, Poynter, 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://voiceofsandiego.org/2019/09/03/no-ones-sure-what-the-new-citybeat-will-look-like/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"No One's Sure What the New CityBeat Will Look Like"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, Voice of San Diego, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2025/02/19/san-diego-reader-ends-print-edition-after-52-years" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"San Diego Reader ends print edition after 52 years"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Julia Dixon Evans, KPBS, 2025) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-tv-guide-magazine-sale-ntvb-media-20151007-story.html" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"TV Guide Magazine is sold for the third time in less than 10 years to NTVB Media</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">" (Stephen Battaglio, Los Angeles Times, 2015)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.inpublishing.co.uk/articles/readers-digest-changes-hands-2371" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Reader's Digest changes hands"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (InPublishing, 2018)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/creativedestruction.asp" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Creative Destruction: Out With the Old, in With the New"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Carol M. Kopp, Investopedia, 2023)</span></li></ul><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/san-diegos-last-alt-weekly-stops-the-presses-but-its-not-giving-up-yet</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250514121958-cover_reader.png"/><itunes:duration>00:34:19</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250514121958-cover_reader.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>When better sleep silences a painter's muse — now what?</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">For most of her adult life, artist Mary Jhun has drawn inspiration from a distinct muse: fractured silhouettes of girls, embellished with surreal details. Her paintings have been a way to process trauma, loneliness and despair, while also serving as a fascinating feedback loop into and out of her vivid dream life. She experiences the "girls" in dreams as she paints them, using these visions as fuel for future works.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">But when she started using a CPAP machine to treat sleep apnea, her dreams vanished overnight.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">"What do we choose? Do we choose the thing that kind of ignites our creativity or our health? And I feel like a lot of artists go through that all the time, no matter what the topic is," Mary said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Photos:</strong><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/when-better-sleep-silences-a-painters-muse-now-what" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A glimpse into Mary Jhun's studio and signature style</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Now, in a new solo exhibition at the </span><a href="https://oma-online.org/mary-jhun/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Oceanside Museum of Art</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">, Mary has found her way back — to both her girls and her dreams — by incorporating surreal CPAP machinery into her paintings and tricking her body to dream again. Yet a question lingers: What toll does creativity take on our physical, emotional and relational health?</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Guest:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.maryjhun.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Mary Jhun</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, artist</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Watch: </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyqz08FtryI" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Mary Jhun creates intricate Etch-A-Sketch drawing of her "girls" on classic toy</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mary Jhun's creative touchpoints:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/6oXxmHlIYxA9Qh7AxPKWM1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Cafe Ghibli playlist</a></li><li><a href="https://gkids.com/films/kikis-delivery-service/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Kiki's Delivery Service"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www2.hawaii.edu/~freeman/courses/phil330/MANIFESTO%20OF%20SURREALISM.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">" Manifesto of Surrealism" by André Breton</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sigmund-Freud" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Sigmund Freud</a></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Carl-Jung" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Carl Jung</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://princess.disney.com/snow-white" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Snow White</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Disney fairytale princess known for her woodland friends, kindness and cottagecore charm</span></li><li><a href="https://gkids.com/studio-ghibli/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Studio Ghibli</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Beloved Japanese animation studio behind dreamy, detailed films like "Totoro" and "Spirited Away"</span></li><li><a href="https://oma-online.org/mary-jhun/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"In Losing Sleep, I Painted"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mary Jhun's 2025 exhibit at the Oceanside Museum of Art exploring the tension between health and creativity through her signature "girls" figures</span></li><li><a href="https://etchasketch.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Etch-A-Sketch</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Red-framed drawing toy repurposed by Mary Jhun as a surprising tool for emotional expression</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/arthubmakers/p/Cg20fCTP6ve/?img_index=2" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;"> "Nothing Lasts Forever"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2022 gallery show centered on impermanence, featuring 20 Etch-A-Sketch works by Mary Jhun created in a one week and sold with the reminder: once it's gone, it's gone</span></li><li><a href="https://gamesofberkeley.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Games of Berkeley</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Longtime Bay Area shop packed with puzzles, strategy games, novelties and nostalgic treasures</span></li><li><a href="https://dunenovels.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Dune"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Frank Herbert's sci-fi epic of sand, prophecy and power set on the desert planet of Arrakis</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collection/s0186V1962" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Café Table with Absinthe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Van Gogh Museum Amsterdam)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/f-scott-fitzgeralds-life-study-destructive-alcoholism" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"F. Scott Fitzgerald's life was a study in destructive alcoholism"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Dr. Howard Markel, PBS News, 2017)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.riseart.com/article/2291/art-world-news-frida-kahlo-and-diego-rivera-romance-and-heartbreak" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Frida Kahlo &amp; Diego Rivera | Romance &amp; Heartbreak</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rise Art, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleep-apnea/symptoms-causes/syc-20377631" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Sleep apnea</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mayo Clinic)</span></li><li><a href="https://womenshealth.gov/menopause/early-or-premature-menopause" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Early or premature menopause</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Office on Women's Health)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.moma.org/collection/terms/surrealism/surrealism-and-dreams" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Surrealism and Dreams</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (MoMA)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.livescience.com/little-known-sleep-stage-may-be-creative-sweet-spot" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí really works"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Yasemin Saplakoglu, Live Science, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abj5866" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Sleep onset is a creative sweet spot"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Célia Lacaux, Thomas Andrillon, Céleste Bastoul, Yannis Idir, Alexandrine Fonteix-Galet, Isabelle Arnulf and Delphine Oudiette, Science Advances, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-31361-w" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Targeted dream incubation at sleep onset increases post-sleep creative performance"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Adam Haar Horowitz, Kathleen Esfahany, Tomás Vega Gálvez, Pattie Maes and Robert Stickgold, Scientific Reports, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280803703_Relationship_between_Lucid_Dreaming_Creativity_and_Dream_Characteristics" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Relationship between Lucid Dreaming, Creativity and Dream Characteristics"</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> (Nicolas Zink, International Journal of Dream Research, 2013)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250508073149-THEFINESTEP5MaryJhunMASTERV11.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="62989819"/><guid isPermaLink="false">2d8579c0-2c19-11f0-9e21-ad87443d9962</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">For most of her adult life, artist Mary Jhun has drawn inspiration from a distinct muse: fractured silhouettes of girls, embellished with surreal details. Her paintings have been a way to process trauma, loneliness and despair, while also serving as a fascinating feedback loop into and out of her vivid dream life. She experiences the "girls" in dreams as she paints them, using these visions as fuel for future works.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">But when she started using a CPAP machine to treat sleep apnea, her dreams vanished overnight.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">"What do we choose? Do we choose the thing that kind of ignites our creativity or our health? And I feel like a lot of artists go through that all the time, no matter what the topic is," Mary said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Photos:</strong><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/when-better-sleep-silences-a-painters-muse-now-what" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A glimpse into Mary Jhun's studio and signature style</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Now, in a new solo exhibition at the </span><a href="https://oma-online.org/mary-jhun/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Oceanside Museum of Art</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">, Mary has found her way back — to both her girls and her dreams — by incorporating surreal CPAP machinery into her paintings and tricking her body to dream again. Yet a question lingers: What toll does creativity take on our physical, emotional and relational health?</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Guest:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.maryjhun.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Mary Jhun</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, artist</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Watch: </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyqz08FtryI" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">Mary Jhun creates intricate Etch-A-Sketch drawing of her "girls" on classic toy</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mary Jhun's creative touchpoints:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/6oXxmHlIYxA9Qh7AxPKWM1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Cafe Ghibli playlist</a></li><li><a href="https://gkids.com/films/kikis-delivery-service/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Kiki's Delivery Service"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span></li><li><a href="https://www2.hawaii.edu/~freeman/courses/phil330/MANIFESTO%20OF%20SURREALISM.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">" Manifesto of Surrealism" by André Breton</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sigmund-Freud" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Sigmund Freud</a></li><li><a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Carl-Jung" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Carl Jung</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://princess.disney.com/snow-white" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Snow White</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Disney fairytale princess known for her woodland friends, kindness and cottagecore charm</span></li><li><a href="https://gkids.com/studio-ghibli/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Studio Ghibli</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Beloved Japanese animation studio behind dreamy, detailed films like "Totoro" and "Spirited Away"</span></li><li><a href="https://oma-online.org/mary-jhun/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"In Losing Sleep, I Painted"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mary Jhun's 2025 exhibit at the Oceanside Museum of Art exploring the tension between health and creativity through her signature "girls" figures</span></li><li><a href="https://etchasketch.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Etch-A-Sketch</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Red-framed drawing toy repurposed by Mary Jhun as a surprising tool for emotional expression</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/arthubmakers/p/Cg20fCTP6ve/?img_index=2" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;"> "Nothing Lasts Forever"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2022 gallery show centered on impermanence, featuring 20 Etch-A-Sketch works by Mary Jhun created in a one week and sold with the reminder: once it's gone, it's gone</span></li><li><a href="https://gamesofberkeley.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Games of Berkeley</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Longtime Bay Area shop packed with puzzles, strategy games, novelties and nostalgic treasures</span></li><li><a href="https://dunenovels.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Dune"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Frank Herbert's sci-fi epic of sand, prophecy and power set on the desert planet of Arrakis</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collection/s0186V1962" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Café Table with Absinthe</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Van Gogh Museum Amsterdam)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/f-scott-fitzgeralds-life-study-destructive-alcoholism" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"F. Scott Fitzgerald's life was a study in destructive alcoholism"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Dr. Howard Markel, PBS News, 2017) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.riseart.com/article/2291/art-world-news-frida-kahlo-and-diego-rivera-romance-and-heartbreak" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Frida Kahlo &amp; Diego Rivera | Romance &amp; Heartbreak</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rise Art, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleep-apnea/symptoms-causes/syc-20377631" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Sleep apnea</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Mayo Clinic)</span></li><li><a href="https://womenshealth.gov/menopause/early-or-premature-menopause" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Early or premature menopause</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Office on Women's Health)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.moma.org/collection/terms/surrealism/surrealism-and-dreams" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Surrealism and Dreams</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (MoMA)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.livescience.com/little-known-sleep-stage-may-be-creative-sweet-spot" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Sleep technique used by Salvador Dalí really works"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Yasemin Saplakoglu, Live Science, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abj5866" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Sleep onset is a creative sweet spot"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Célia Lacaux, Thomas Andrillon, Céleste Bastoul, Yannis Idir, Alexandrine Fonteix-Galet, Isabelle Arnulf and Delphine Oudiette, Science Advances, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-31361-w" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Targeted dream incubation at sleep onset increases post-sleep creative performance"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Adam Haar Horowitz, Kathleen Esfahany, Tomás Vega Gálvez, Pattie Maes and Robert Stickgold, Scientific Reports, 2023)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280803703_Relationship_between_Lucid_Dreaming_Creativity_and_Dream_Characteristics" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">"Relationship between Lucid Dreaming, Creativity and Dream Characteristics"</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> (Nicolas Zink, International Journal of Dream Research, 2013)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/when-better-sleep-silences-a-painters-muse-now-what</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250507171920-cover_maryjhun.png"/><itunes:duration>00:26:15</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250507171920-cover_maryjhun.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Spotify is changing, so one indie artist is advocating for fairness in a stream-heavy world</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">For indie musicians like Julianna Zachariou, Spotify has made music more accessible than ever — but at a cost. With payouts that amount to less than a penny per stream, she's had to turn to crowdfunding and direct fan support to fund her projects. She opens up about the personal toll these struggles take and how she's found ways to stay true to her craft while facing these challenges.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"On my bad days, I wake up and think, 'I've already done the best I can do. This is the most people I'll ever reach, and I'm just sinking into anonymity,'" Julianna said, reflecting on an older song that has reached more than 5 million streams.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"But on my better days, I'm grateful for it. I recognize that it was a different time. Spotify's kind of a monster now. There's no room for 'if it's good enough, it'll find its way.' It's just not a thing right now. It's a trap to let metrics determine that you're doing something better or worse than you were in the past," she said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svAL1fBpc78" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Julianna Zachariou performs "Dreamer, Dreamer" live at KPBS' studio</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this episode, we break down Spotify's business model, the economics of streaming and what it really takes to sustain a career without major-label backing. Julianna's story is a powerful reminder of the need for change in the industry and how we can all play a role in supporting the artists who enrich our lives.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Julianna Zachariou</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, musician</span></li><li><a href="https://lizpelly.info/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Liz Pelly</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, journalist and author of </span><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Mood-Machine/Liz-Pelly/9781668083505" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Julianna Zachariou Track List:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.bandcamp.com/track/church-st" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"church st."</a></li><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.bandcamp.com/track/subway-song" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Subway Song"</a></li><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.bandcamp.com/track/hero-of-your-heart-ballad-of-an-asshole" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Hero of Your Heart"</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"Dreamer, Dreamer"</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch: </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTJqFDEYj8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Julianna Zachariou performs "Becky" live at KPBS' studio</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Julianna Zachariou's musical influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://youtu.be/FrkEDe6Ljqs?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Commodores</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Lrle0x_DHBM?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Earth Wind and Fire</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/qmOLtTGvsbM?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Toto</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/il5blRSsn0c?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Alison Krauss</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/RNochZbb0tg?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Bonnie Raitt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/8scSwaKbE64?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Beatles</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/QeglgSWKSIY?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Rolling Stones</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/lsZG7n7ries?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Led Zeppelin</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/SHhrZgojY1Q?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Who</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/XQh8zhmTtBg?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Taylor Swift</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/o1OHRk82DgI?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Kelly Clarkson, "American Idol"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Photos:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">See portraits of Julianna Zachariou and a few snaps of her and Josh Flowers making music together</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/hijoshflowers/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Josh Flowers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, songwriter and musical collaborator</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mta.info/maps/subway-line-maps/d-line" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The D Train</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | NYC subway line that runs from the Bronx to Brooklyn</span></li><li><a href="https://weareumaw.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">United Musicians and Allied Workers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UMAW) | A grassroots union fighting for fairness in music, from streaming transparency to artist pay equity</span></li><li><a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7763/text" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">H.R.7763 - Living Wage for Musicians Act of 2024</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2024 bill introduced by Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Jamaal Bowman, backed by UMAW, pushing for a penny-per-stream payout to make streaming fairer for working artists</span></li><li><a href="https://sodabarmusic.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Soda Bar</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | North Park dive for intimate sets, rising indie acts and vibrant local energy</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Previous GoFundMes: </span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-fund-juliannas-next-record" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Help Fund Julianna's Next Record</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/helpjuliannamakemusic" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Help Julianna Make Music</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378437124003571" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Simulating the emergence of superstar firms: The role of luck vs talent"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (A.E. Biondo, A. Pluchino, R. Zanola, ScienceDirect, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LguRXcmWv64" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Alan B. Krueger | Rockonomics: 7 Key Economic Lessons"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (John Murray Books, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://royaltyexchange.com/blog/how-music-streaming-platforms-calculate-payouts-per-stream-2025" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How Music Streaming Platforms Calculate Payouts Per Stream 2025"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Royalty Exchange, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/357907/spotify-sabrina-carpenter-espresso-chappell-roan-algorithm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Spotify conspiracy theories about 'Espresso,' explained"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rebecca Jennings, Vox, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://loudandclear.byspotify.com/#payouts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Loud and Clear": 2024 Spotify Annual Music Economics Report</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Spotify, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://tlaib.house.gov/posts/tlaib-introduces-living-wage-for-musicians-act" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Tlaib Introduces Living Wage for Musicians Act"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Office of Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, March 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/top-1-percent-streaming-1055005/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Data Shows 90 Percent of Streams Go to the Top 1 Percent of Artists"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Emily Blake, Rolling Stone, Sept. 2020)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-brief-history-of-american-payola/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"A Brief History of American Payola"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kim Kelly, Vice, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Mood-Machine/Liz-Pelly/9781668083505" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Liz Pelly, Atria/One Signal Publishers, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Ghosts in the Machine"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Liz Pelly, Harper's Magazine/book excerpt, 2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250430083138-JuliannaEpisodeMasterV11.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="57751771"/><guid isPermaLink="false">35668b60-25d8-11f0-9fc6-5b83f8f4ee34</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">For indie musicians like Julianna Zachariou, Spotify has made music more accessible than ever — but at a cost. With payouts that amount to less than a penny per stream, she's had to turn to crowdfunding and direct fan support to fund her projects. She opens up about the personal toll these struggles take and how she's found ways to stay true to her craft while facing these challenges.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"On my bad days, I wake up and think, 'I've already done the best I can do. This is the most people I'll ever reach, and I'm just sinking into anonymity,'" Julianna said, reflecting on an older song that has reached more than 5 million streams.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"But on my better days, I'm grateful for it. I recognize that it was a different time. Spotify's kind of a monster now. There's no room for 'if it's good enough, it'll find its way.' It's just not a thing right now. It's a trap to let metrics determine that you're doing something better or worse than you were in the past," she said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svAL1fBpc78" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Julianna Zachariou performs "Dreamer, Dreamer" live at KPBS' studio</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this episode, we break down Spotify's business model, the economics of streaming and what it really takes to sustain a career without major-label backing. Julianna's story is a powerful reminder of the need for change in the industry and how we can all play a role in supporting the artists who enrich our lives.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Julianna Zachariou</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, musician</span></li><li><a href="https://lizpelly.info/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Liz Pelly</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, journalist and author of </span><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Mood-Machine/Liz-Pelly/9781668083505" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Julianna Zachariou Track List:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.bandcamp.com/track/church-st" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"church st."</a></li><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.bandcamp.com/track/subway-song" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Subway Song"</a></li><li><a href="https://juliannazachariou.bandcamp.com/track/hero-of-your-heart-ballad-of-an-asshole" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Hero of Your Heart"</a></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"Dreamer, Dreamer"</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch: </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTJqFDEYj8" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Julianna Zachariou performs "Becky" live at KPBS' studio</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Julianna Zachariou's musical influences:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://youtu.be/FrkEDe6Ljqs?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Commodores</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Lrle0x_DHBM?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Earth Wind and Fire</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/qmOLtTGvsbM?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Toto</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/il5blRSsn0c?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Alison Krauss</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/RNochZbb0tg?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Bonnie Raitt</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/8scSwaKbE64?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Beatles</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/QeglgSWKSIY?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Rolling Stones</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/lsZG7n7ries?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Led Zeppelin</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/SHhrZgojY1Q?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The Who</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/XQh8zhmTtBg?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Taylor Swift</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/o1OHRk82DgI?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Kelly Clarkson, "American Idol"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Photos:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">See portraits of Julianna Zachariou and a few snaps of her and Josh Flowers making music together</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/hijoshflowers/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Josh Flowers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, songwriter and musical collaborator</span></li><li><a href="https://www.mta.info/maps/subway-line-maps/d-line" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">The D Train</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | NYC subway line that runs from the Bronx to Brooklyn</span></li><li><a href="https://weareumaw.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">United Musicians and Allied Workers</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (UMAW) | A grassroots union fighting for fairness in music, from streaming transparency to artist pay equity</span></li><li><a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7763/text" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">H.R.7763 - Living Wage for Musicians Act of 2024</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | 2024 bill introduced by Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Jamaal Bowman, backed by UMAW, pushing for a penny-per-stream payout to make streaming fairer for working artists</span></li><li><a href="https://sodabarmusic.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Soda Bar</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | North Park dive for intimate sets, rising indie acts and vibrant local energy</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Previous GoFundMes: </span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-fund-juliannas-next-record" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Help Fund Julianna's Next Record</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> and </span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/helpjuliannamakemusic" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Help Julianna Make Music</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378437124003571" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Simulating the emergence of superstar firms: The role of luck vs talent"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (A.E. Biondo, A. Pluchino, R. Zanola, ScienceDirect, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LguRXcmWv64" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Alan B. Krueger | Rockonomics: 7 Key Economic Lessons"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (John Murray Books, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://royaltyexchange.com/blog/how-music-streaming-platforms-calculate-payouts-per-stream-2025" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How Music Streaming Platforms Calculate Payouts Per Stream 2025"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Royalty Exchange, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/357907/spotify-sabrina-carpenter-espresso-chappell-roan-algorithm" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Spotify conspiracy theories about 'Espresso,' explained"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Rebecca Jennings, Vox, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://loudandclear.byspotify.com/#payouts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Loud and Clear": 2024 Spotify Annual Music Economics Report</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Spotify, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://tlaib.house.gov/posts/tlaib-introduces-living-wage-for-musicians-act" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Tlaib Introduces Living Wage for Musicians Act"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Office of Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, March 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/top-1-percent-streaming-1055005/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Data Shows 90 Percent of Streams Go to the Top 1 Percent of Artists"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Emily Blake, Rolling Stone, Sept. 2020) </span></li><li><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-brief-history-of-american-payola/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"A Brief History of American Payola"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Kim Kelly, Vice, 2016)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Mood-Machine/Liz-Pelly/9781668083505" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Liz Pelly, Atria/One Signal Publishers, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"The Ghosts in the Machine"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Liz Pelly, Harper's Magazine/book excerpt, 2025)</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/spotify-is-changing-so-one-indie-artist-is-advocating-for-fairness-in-a-stream-heavy-world</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250430074744-cover_juliannazachariou.png"/><itunes:duration>00:35:44</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250430074744-cover_juliannazachariou.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>San Diego's poets laureate on being a 'government artist' and knocking poetry off its pedestal</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">What does it mean to be a "government artist" in San Diego?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Outgoing Poet Laureate Jason Magabo Perez shares the lessons he's learned from his two-year term, where he brought the city's neighborhoods to life through his vivid poetry. As Paola Capó-García takes on the mantle, she talks about her plans to bring a fresh perspective to the role and expand poetry's reach.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"I think that poetry has a way of winning anyone over if you're showing them that a poem can look and feel and sound like anything, that there's humor in poetry, that decoding a poem can feel like a game that you do with friends. And how one line or one word can have infinite meanings," Capó-García said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this conversation, both poets dive into how they demystify poetry for students and the public, and how they can connect and uplift San Diego's diverse communities through verse.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.paolacapogarcia.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Paola Capó-García</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, San Diego poet laureate (2025-27), Professional Learning Coordinator at High Tech High Graduate School of Education</span></li><li><a href="https://www.jasonmagaboperez.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jason Magabo Perez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, San Diego poet laureate emeritus (2023-24), Associate Professor of Ethnic Studies at California State University San Marcos</span></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/poet/david-tomas-martinez#tabbed-content" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">David Tomas Martinez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, writer</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://youtu.be/Eqk4kiDu4Xg" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">David Tomas Martinez shares a poem from his second collection, "Post Traumatic Hood Disorder"</a></p><h3><br></h3><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Poems read in this episode:</strong></h3><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Yellow</strong></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Paola Capó-García</span></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">When I was young I thought the soul was a body part</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">To the right of my heart and in between the pre-breasts</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">this soul-thing would nest—and then one day it fell out?—</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">No It stuck around too long</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">and made a house of my insides The walls were</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">yellow which I now know is the color of hunger and</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">that's why I crave baby chicks and gold There</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">was so much furniture shoved inside of me and even if</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">the décor was mid-century, the style was mortal My</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">memory is hungry She wanted me to paint my face</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">every morning Makeup could enhance better</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">make use of this face But then my dog licked the second</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">face off clean That is my favorite movie</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From</span><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"CLAP FOR ME THAT'S NOT ME"</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (Rescue Press, 2018).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Found Fragment on Ambition</strong></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">David Tomas Martinez</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">v.</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">if a hood is a sense of place</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">&amp; a sense of place is identity</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">then identity is a hood &amp; adult</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">hood is being insecure in any</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">hood a hood scares the whitest</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">folks why folks scared to stop</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">in the hood &amp; why folks stop</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">wearing a hood &amp; call it white</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">nationalism if i tried i would</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">fail to pass if i failed i would</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">try to pass when can i retire my</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">bowl stop needing to beg for my</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">person hood you see academically</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">my ghetto pass was revoked please</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">sir can you direct me to the window</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">to turn in my man card where</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">can i apply to enter the whiteness</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">protection program ive lost</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">my found identity is a hood</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a hood is a sense of place</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a place places a hood hood in us</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">From</span><a href="https://www.sarabandebooks.org/all-titles/p/post-traumatic-hood-disorder-david-tomas-martinez" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </a><a href="https://www.sarabandebooks.org/all-titles/p/post-traumatic-hood-disorder-david-tomas-martinez" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Post Traumatic Hood Disorder"</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> (Sarabande Books, 2018).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We Draft Work Songs for the City</strong></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Jason Magabo Perez</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Here is a parable,</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a prayer, perhaps,</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">for those unmapped;</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Here are new students</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">considering new lives,</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">new interrogations, new</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">footnotes, but no new</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">friendships, no news. None.</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Still, the problem of loans.</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Still, the problem of rent.</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Still, the problem of property.</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">This alley off University is</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a gallery of abandoned mattresses</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Stacked against limp wire fencing that</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">leans against wood panels that</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">shade the driveway where the</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">unmapped fall asleep.</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Ancestral spirits are</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">no less spectacle than</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">principled remembrance:</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">The craft of this tissue</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">we often call ourselves.</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">From</span><a href="https://kaya.com/books/i-ask-about-what-falls-away/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </a><a href="https://kaya.com/books/i-ask-about-what-falls-away/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"I ask about what falls away"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Kaya Press, 2024).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mobility</strong></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Paola Capó-García</span></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">I keep finding people living in my house mouths I've never seen expressions through paint chips and light fixtures &nbsp; &nbsp; ‎I keep coming back to this place I label "house" because my plane tickets are designed to get me here and the bed has been made in the shape of an invitation</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">I learned to ride a bike on Wednesday and felt new &nbsp; &nbsp; I always resisted I didn't know how to balance on pavement or glitter &nbsp; &nbsp; I didn't know why that would be required of me &nbsp; &nbsp; this bike does not know the road to my house</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Website </em><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">says woman</span><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </em><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">in tight</span><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> dress slips on butter for twenty minutes, calls it </em><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">art&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; well</span><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> what would you call that? &nbsp; &nbsp; an accident?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; It seems really lovely to me&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; how the butter would go in and out of her pores as if it's always been trying to get back to that place</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">From</span><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </a><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"CLAP FOR ME THAT'S NOT ME"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Rescue Press, 2018).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Jason and Paola's literary influences:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">I Was Born With Two Tongues  (</span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/apiaword/pillars" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Pillars"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> plays in episode)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Talib Kweli / Black Star (</span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/black-star-official/definition" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Definition"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> plays in episode)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/federico-garcia-lorca#tab-poems" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fredrico  García Lorca</a></li><li><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes#tab-poems" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Langston Hughes</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Poems Paola often shares with her students:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lucille Clifton on </span><a href="https://billmoyers.com/content/come-celebrate-with-me-lucille-clifton-david-mura/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">the origins of poetry</a></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/poem/small-needful-fact" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"A Small Needful Fact"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Ross Gay</span></li><li><a href="https://lithub.com/new-poetry-by-indigenous-women-2/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Literature of Resistance Re-Imagined with Pepsi"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Tiffany Midge</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/san-diegos-poets-laureate-on-being-a-government-artist-and-knocking-poetry-off-its-pedestal" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego’s poets laureate, captured between words and worlds</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sdpoetryfutures/%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Poetry Futures</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Poetry initiative from Jason Magabo Perez that brings people together through workshops, collabs and community verse</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/lovehoopsny/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);"> Love Hoops NYC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | New York City-based basketball collective hosting open runs, skills sessions and events that build community on and off the court</span></li><li><a href="https://www.adalimon.net/%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ada Limón</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, United States poet laureate</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/californias-poet-laureate" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Lee Herrick</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, California poet laureate</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.gov/cultural-affairs/initiatives/poet-laureate" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">City of San Diego Poet Laureate</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City of San Diego, 2020-2025)&nbsp;</span></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/academy-american-poets/prizes/academy-american-poets-laureate-fellowships" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Academy of American Poets Laureate Fellowships</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Academy of American Poets)</span></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/text/creating-poets-laureate-positions-states-cities-us-territories-and-tribal-nations" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Creating Poets Laureate Positions in States, Cities, U.S. Territories, and Tribal Nations</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Academy of American Poets)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2024/12/12/san-diego-poet-laureate-ends-term-new-poetry-festival-ucsd" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Poet Laureate wraps up term by dreaming and planting seeds in new festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (KPBS, December 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/bTivpgMkGKA?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Here’s why Kendall Jenner's Pepsi ad is so controversial"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Washington Post, May 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theartstory.org/definition/federal-art-project-of-the-works-progress-administration/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Federal Art Project of the Works Progress Admin</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (The Art Story)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250416070729-POETS_EP_MASTERED_v3.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="50895490"/><guid isPermaLink="false">2236f460-1acc-11f0-9e75-577b484d5522</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">What does it mean to be a "government artist" in San Diego?</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Outgoing Poet Laureate Jason Magabo Perez shares the lessons he's learned from his two-year term, where he brought the city's neighborhoods to life through his vivid poetry. As Paola Capó-García takes on the mantle, she talks about her plans to bring a fresh perspective to the role and expand poetry's reach.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">"I think that poetry has a way of winning anyone over if you're showing them that a poem can look and feel and sound like anything, that there's humor in poetry, that decoding a poem can feel like a game that you do with friends. And how one line or one word can have infinite meanings," Capó-García said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">In this conversation, both poets dive into how they demystify poetry for students and the public, and how they can connect and uplift San Diego's diverse communities through verse.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.paolacapogarcia.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Paola Capó-García</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, San Diego poet laureate (2025-27), Professional Learning Coordinator at High Tech High Graduate School of Education</span></li><li><a href="https://www.jasonmagaboperez.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Jason Magabo Perez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, San Diego poet laureate emeritus (2023-24), Associate Professor of Ethnic Studies at California State University San Marcos</span></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/poet/david-tomas-martinez#tabbed-content" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">David Tomas Martinez</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, writer</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://youtu.be/Eqk4kiDu4Xg" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">David Tomas Martinez shares a poem from his second collection, "Post Traumatic Hood Disorder"</a></p><h3><br></h3><h3><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Poems read in this episode:</strong></h3><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Yellow</strong></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Paola Capó-García</span></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">When I was young I thought the soul was a body part</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">To the right of my heart and in between the pre-breasts</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">this soul-thing would nest—and then one day it fell out?—</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">No It stuck around too long</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">and made a house of my insides The walls were</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">yellow which I now know is the color of hunger and</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">that's why I crave baby chicks and gold There</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">was so much furniture shoved inside of me and even if</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">the décor was mid-century, the style was mortal My</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">memory is hungry She wanted me to paint my face</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">every morning Makeup could enhance better</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">make use of this face But then my dog licked the second</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">face off clean That is my favorite movie</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From</span><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </a><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"CLAP FOR ME THAT'S NOT ME"</a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent;"> (Rescue Press, 2018).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Found Fragment on Ambition</strong></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">David Tomas Martinez</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">v.</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">if a hood is a sense of place</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">&amp; a sense of place is identity</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">then identity is a hood &amp; adult</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">hood is being insecure in any</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">hood a hood scares the whitest</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">folks why folks scared to stop</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">in the hood &amp; why folks stop</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">wearing a hood &amp; call it white</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">nationalism if i tried i would</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">fail to pass if i failed i would</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">try to pass when can i retire my</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">bowl stop needing to beg for my</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">person hood you see academically</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">my ghetto pass was revoked please</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">sir can you direct me to the window</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">to turn in my man card where</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">can i apply to enter the whiteness</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">protection program ive lost</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">my found identity is a hood</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a hood is a sense of place</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a place places a hood hood in us</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">From</span><a href="https://www.sarabandebooks.org/all-titles/p/post-traumatic-hood-disorder-david-tomas-martinez" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </a><a href="https://www.sarabandebooks.org/all-titles/p/post-traumatic-hood-disorder-david-tomas-martinez" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Post Traumatic Hood Disorder"</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> (Sarabande Books, 2018).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We Draft Work Songs for the City</strong></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Jason Magabo Perez</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Here is a parable,</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a prayer, perhaps,</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">for those unmapped;</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Here are new students</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">considering new lives,</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">new interrogations, new</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">footnotes, but no new</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">friendships, no news. None.</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Still, the problem of loans.</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Still, the problem of rent.</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Still, the problem of property.</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">This alley off University is</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">a gallery of abandoned mattresses</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Stacked against limp wire fencing that</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">leans against wood panels that</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">shade the driveway where the</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">unmapped fall asleep.</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Ancestral spirits are</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">no less spectacle than</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">principled remembrance:</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">The craft of this tissue</em></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">we often call ourselves.</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">From</span><a href="https://kaya.com/books/i-ask-about-what-falls-away/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </a><a href="https://kaya.com/books/i-ask-about-what-falls-away/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"I ask about what falls away"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Kaya Press, 2024).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Mobility</strong></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Paola Capó-García</span></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">I keep finding people living in my house mouths I've never seen expressions through paint chips and light fixtures     ‎I keep coming back to this place I label "house" because my plane tickets are designed to get me here and the bed has been made in the shape of an invitation</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">I learned to ride a bike on Wednesday and felt new     I always resisted I didn't know how to balance on pavement or glitter     I didn't know why that would be required of me     this bike does not know the road to my house</em></p><p><br></p><p><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Website </em><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">says woman</span><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </em><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">in tight</span><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> dress slips on butter for twenty minutes, calls it </em><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">art      well</span><em style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> what would you call that?     an accident?      It seems really lovely to me      how the butter would go in and out of her pores as if it's always been trying to get back to that place</em></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">From</span><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </a><a href="https://rescuepress.co/books/p/clap-for-me-thats-not-me" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"CLAP FOR ME THAT'S NOT ME"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Rescue Press, 2018).</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Jason and Paola's literary influences:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">I Was Born With Two Tongues  (</span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/apiaword/pillars" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Pillars"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> plays in episode)</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Talib Kweli / Black Star (</span><a href="https://soundcloud.com/black-star-official/definition" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Definition"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> plays in episode)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/federico-garcia-lorca#tab-poems" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Fredrico  García Lorca</a></li><li><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes#tab-poems" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Langston Hughes</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Poems Paola often shares with her students:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lucille Clifton on </span><a href="https://billmoyers.com/content/come-celebrate-with-me-lucille-clifton-david-mura/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">the origins of poetry</a></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/poem/small-needful-fact" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"A Small Needful Fact"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Ross Gay</span></li><li><a href="https://lithub.com/new-poetry-by-indigenous-women-2/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Literature of Resistance Re-Imagined with Pepsi"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> by Tiffany Midge</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos: </strong><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/san-diegos-poets-laureate-on-being-a-government-artist-and-knocking-poetry-off-its-pedestal" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">San Diego’s poets laureate, captured between words and worlds</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sdpoetryfutures/%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Poetry Futures</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Poetry initiative from Jason Magabo Perez that brings people together through workshops, collabs and community verse</span></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/lovehoopsny/?hl=en" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);"> Love Hoops NYC</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | New York City-based basketball collective hosting open runs, skills sessions and events that build community on and off the court</span></li><li><a href="https://www.adalimon.net/%C2%A0" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Ada Limón</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, United States poet laureate</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/kpbs-midday-edition/californias-poet-laureate" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Lee Herrick</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, California poet laureate</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.sandiego.gov/cultural-affairs/initiatives/poet-laureate" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">City of San Diego Poet Laureate</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (City of San Diego, 2020-2025) </span></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/academy-american-poets/prizes/academy-american-poets-laureate-fellowships" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Academy of American Poets Laureate Fellowships</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Academy of American Poets)</span></li><li><a href="https://poets.org/text/creating-poets-laureate-positions-states-cities-us-territories-and-tribal-nations" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Creating Poets Laureate Positions in States, Cities, U.S. Territories, and Tribal Nations</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Academy of American Poets)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/2024/12/12/san-diego-poet-laureate-ends-term-new-poetry-festival-ucsd" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Poet Laureate wraps up term by dreaming and planting seeds in new festival</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (KPBS, December 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/bTivpgMkGKA?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Here’s why Kendall Jenner's Pepsi ad is so controversial"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Washington Post, May 2017)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.theartstory.org/definition/federal-art-project-of-the-works-progress-administration/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Federal Art Project of the Works Progress Admin</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (The Art Story)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/san-diegos-poets-laureate-on-being-a-government-artist-and-knocking-poetry-off-its-pedestal</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250416070542-poets_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:35:20</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250416070542-poets_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>Making it in music: How do you create a local music scene in a 'superstar economy'?</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">San Diego's music scene is full of talent, but making a living off your art? That's a different story.</span></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://shua.fyi/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">, a Southeast San Diego artist with over a million Spotify streams, has lived both extremes: signing a record deal and later facing near homelessness. In this episode, he shares the highs and lows of his career, what it means to be an independent musician today and why fan support is more crucial than ever.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndf4AU9Yj7E" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shua performs his song "Broken" live at KPBS' studio</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">We also break down the brutal reality of the modern music industry, where the biggest stars are increasingly taking home the bulk of the earnings while local and indie artists fight to stay afloat. And we explore why local music matters, what we lose when artists can't afford to make their art.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">" I think art, if you're willing, can cut through the noise and say to someone, 'See me. Hear me,'" Shua said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Whether you're an artist, a music lover or just curious about how the industry really works, this episode offers a perspective you won't forget.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://shua.fyi/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, musician</span></li><li><a href="https://ahc.leeds.ac.uk/media/staff/297/professor-david-hesmondhalgh" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">David Hesmondhalgh</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Professor of Media, Music and Culture at the University of Leeds</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">See snapshots of Shua&nbsp;</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Shua Track List:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://music.apple.com/us/album/plaza-cuernavaca/1555880933?i=1555880934" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Plaza Cuernavaca"</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/track/4GOlix5rBWcHrndmUObqi1?si=2e089dbd075f44d6" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"You Can Only Go in Pieces"</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/mT6CijJOzFA?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Aren't You Tired?"</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPLVmkoQoU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Broken"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Shua's musical influences:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Fred Hammond</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">The Winans</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Stevie Wonder</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Bill Withers</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"The Jungle Book" Original Soundtrack</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Beethoven</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Coldplay</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://youtu.be/97oxQrljZpE" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shua performs "Lucid Girl" with The Sacred Souls on "Jimmy Kimmel Live!"</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sodabarmusic.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Soda Bar</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | North Park dive for intimate sets, rising indie acts and vibrant local energy</span></li><li><a href="https://zoo.sandiegozoo.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Zoo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | World famous Balboa Park destination for animal lovers, families and curious minds</span></li><li><a href="https://petcoparkevents.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Petco Park</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Home to the Padres — and a downtown hub for major concerts and local shows</span></li><li><a href="https://www.snapdragonstadium.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Snapdragon Stadium</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mission Valley venue where Wave FC and San Diego FC play, and top music festivals take the stage</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/06/12/rock-and-roll-economics-and-rebuilding-middle-class#:~:text=And%20prices%20for%20the%20best,percent%20of%20all%20concert%20revenues" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Rock and Roll, Economics, and Rebuilding the Middle Class"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alan B. Krueger, Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers, 2013)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/music-superstars-are-the-new-one-percenters-11556962200?mod=e2fb" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Music Superstars Are the New One Percenters"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Neil Shah, Wall Street Journal, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://datausa.io/profile/soc/musicians-and-singers" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Musicians and Singers"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Data USA, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Digitalisation-was-associated-with-increasing-dominance-of-top-1-of-artists-with_fig3_343601171" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Is music streaming bad for musicians? Problems of evidence and argument"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> [</span><a href="https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/164236/10/1461444820953541.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Full PDF</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">] (David Hesmondhalgh, New Media and Society, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/top-1-percent-streaming-1055005/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Data Shows 90 Percent of Streams Go to the Top 1 Percent of Artists"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Emily Blake, Rolling Stone, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.musicradar.com/music-industry/what-the-ek-spotify-founder-is-richer-than-any-musical-artist-ever" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"What the Ek? Spotify founder is richer than any musical artist, ever"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Daniel Griffiths, MusicRadar, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://consequence.net/2024/08/daniel-ek-pay-spotify-streams/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How Many Streams Would an Artist Need to Earn as Much as Spotify CEO Daniel Ek? No One's Close"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Wren Graves, Consequence of Sound, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://chartmasters.org/spotify-most-streamed-artists-2024/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Spotify most streamed artists of 2024"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Guillaume Vieira, Chartmasters, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://loudandclear.byspotify.com/#payouts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Our Annual Music Economics Report"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Spotify, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://internet.beethoven.de/en/exhibition/beethovens-capital/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Beethoven's capital"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Dr. Nicole Kämpken and Dr. Michael Ladenburger, Beethoven-Haus Bonn, 2005)</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250409071415-SHUA_EP_V7_AV.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="84965083"/><guid isPermaLink="false">eb131740-154c-11f0-b1c0-df73e8344fcf</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">San Diego's music scene is full of talent, but making a living off your art? That's a different story.</span></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://shua.fyi/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">, a Southeast San Diego artist with over a million Spotify streams, has lived both extremes: signing a record deal and later facing near homelessness. In this episode, he shares the highs and lows of his career, what it means to be an independent musician today and why fan support is more crucial than ever.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndf4AU9Yj7E" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shua performs his song "Broken" live at KPBS' studio</a></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">We also break down the brutal reality of the modern music industry, where the biggest stars are increasingly taking home the bulk of the earnings while local and indie artists fight to stay afloat. And we explore why local music matters, what we lose when artists can't afford to make their art.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">" I think art, if you're willing, can cut through the noise and say to someone, 'See me. Hear me,'" Shua said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Whether you're an artist, a music lover or just curious about how the industry really works, this episode offers a perspective you won't forget.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://shua.fyi/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Shua</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, musician</span></li><li><a href="https://ahc.leeds.ac.uk/media/staff/297/professor-david-hesmondhalgh" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">David Hesmondhalgh</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">, Professor of Media, Music and Culture at the University of Leeds</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Photos:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">See snapshots of Shua </a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Shua Track List:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://music.apple.com/us/album/plaza-cuernavaca/1555880933?i=1555880934" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Plaza Cuernavaca"</a></li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/track/4GOlix5rBWcHrndmUObqi1?si=2e089dbd075f44d6" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"You Can Only Go in Pieces"</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/mT6CijJOzFA?feature=shared" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Aren't You Tired?"</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPLVmkoQoU" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Broken"</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Shua's musical influences:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Fred Hammond</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">The Winans</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Stevie Wonder</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Bill Withers</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">"The Jungle Book" Original Soundtrack</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Beethoven</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Coldplay</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Watch:</strong><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> </span><a href="https://youtu.be/97oxQrljZpE" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Shua performs "Lucid Girl" with The Sacred Souls on "Jimmy Kimmel Live!"</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sodabarmusic.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Soda Bar</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | North Park dive for intimate sets, rising indie acts and vibrant local energy</span></li><li><a href="https://zoo.sandiegozoo.org/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">San Diego Zoo</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | World famous Balboa Park destination for animal lovers, families and curious minds</span></li><li><a href="https://petcoparkevents.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Petco Park</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Home to the Padres — and a downtown hub for major concerts and local shows</span></li><li><a href="https://www.snapdragonstadium.com/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Snapdragon Stadium</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Mission Valley venue where Wave FC and San Diego FC play, and top music festivals take the stage</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);">Sources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/06/12/rock-and-roll-economics-and-rebuilding-middle-class#:~:text=And%20prices%20for%20the%20best,percent%20of%20all%20concert%20revenues" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Rock and Roll, Economics, and Rebuilding the Middle Class"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Alan B. Krueger, Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers, 2013)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/music-superstars-are-the-new-one-percenters-11556962200?mod=e2fb" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Music Superstars Are the New One Percenters"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Neil Shah, Wall Street Journal, 2019)</span></li><li><a href="https://datausa.io/profile/soc/musicians-and-singers" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Musicians and Singers"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Data USA, 2022)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Digitalisation-was-associated-with-increasing-dominance-of-top-1-of-artists-with_fig3_343601171" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Is music streaming bad for musicians? Problems of evidence and argument"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> [</span><a href="https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/164236/10/1461444820953541.pdf" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">Full PDF</a><span style="background-color: transparent;">] (David Hesmondhalgh, New Media and Society, 2021)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/top-1-percent-streaming-1055005/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Data Shows 90 Percent of Streams Go to the Top 1 Percent of Artists"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Emily Blake, Rolling Stone, 2020)</span></li><li><a href="https://www.musicradar.com/music-industry/what-the-ek-spotify-founder-is-richer-than-any-musical-artist-ever" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"What the Ek? Spotify founder is richer than any musical artist, ever"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Daniel Griffiths, MusicRadar, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://consequence.net/2024/08/daniel-ek-pay-spotify-streams/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"How Many Streams Would an Artist Need to Earn as Much as Spotify CEO Daniel Ek? No One's Close"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Wren Graves, Consequence of Sound, 2024)</span></li><li><a href="https://chartmasters.org/spotify-most-streamed-artists-2024/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Spotify most streamed artists of 2024"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Guillaume Vieira, Chartmasters, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://loudandclear.byspotify.com/#payouts" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Our Annual Music Economics Report"</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> (Spotify, 2025)</span></li><li><a href="https://internet.beethoven.de/en/exhibition/beethovens-capital/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 108, 180);">"Beethoven's capital"</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(38, 45, 38);"> (Dr. Nicole Kämpken and Dr. Michael Ladenburger, Beethoven-Haus Bonn, 2005)</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/shua-making-it-in-music-how-do-you-create-a-local-music-scene-in-a-superstar-economy</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250410084822-shua_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:35:26</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250410084822-shua_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>PARU Tea: How the viral matcha spot is transforming tea culture with love and purpose</title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">What happens when a viral tea brand moves beyond the café model? For Amy Truong and Lani Gobaleza, it meant embracing a deeper purpose — blending sustainability, mindfulness and tradition. </span><a href="https://paruteabar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">PARU Tea</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> has evolved from a trendy matcha destination into a space dedicated to single origin, custom loose-leaf tea and tea experiences.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">But their journey is more than just a business pivot, it's a love story rooted in shared passion and bold choices. In this episode, we dive into how this couple is redefining tea culture in San Diego, proving that slowing down can be just as revolutionary as going viral.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">" It really goes into the principle of Japanese tea ceremony. 'Ichigo ichie' is one chance, one meeting. You always want to be your present self because you never know what tomorrow might bring. Everything at this moment counts," Amy said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Amy Troung, PARU Tea founder</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lani Gobaleza, PARU Tea co-founder/marketing &amp; partnerships</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Teas sampled during our conversation:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">PARU's matcha is freshly milled in their La Jolla shop from shade-grown tencha leaves.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Hanadoki ("flowering season" in Japanese) is PARU's original blend of cherry blossoms, sencha (sun-grown green tea) and rose petals.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Blue Chamomile, PARU's first signature blend, combines organic chamomile flowers and butterfly pea flower grown in Thailand.</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Photos:</strong><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A look behind the scenes at PARU’s journey, space and tea culture.</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://paruteabar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">PARU Tea</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | La Jolla tea shop specializing in loose-leaf tea and matcha sourced from small farms around the world</span></li><li><a href="https://adcgelato.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">An's Dry Cleaning</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | North Park gelato shop featuring Sandals, a gelato made with PARU's Blue Chamomile tea</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bica-sd.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Bica</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Normal Heights coffee shop serving drinks made with PARU tea</span></li><li><a href="https://hatsuzakurasd.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Hatsuzakura</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> | University Heights Japanese café offering PARU loose-leaf teas and milk teas steeped with PARU blends</span></li></ul>]]></description><enclosure url="https://kpbs-od.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250402102231-PARU_EP_V11.mp3" type="audio/mpeg" length="76857468"/><guid isPermaLink="false">0f34c960-0fe7-11f0-ba70-2314c67526bf</guid><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">What happens when a viral tea brand moves beyond the café model? For Amy Truong and Lani Gobaleza, it meant embracing a deeper purpose — blending sustainability, mindfulness and tradition. </span><a href="https://paruteabar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">PARU Tea</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> has evolved from a trendy matcha destination into a space dedicated to single origin, custom loose-leaf tea and tea experiences.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">But their journey is more than just a business pivot, it's a love story rooted in shared passion and bold choices. In this episode, we dive into how this couple is redefining tea culture in San Diego, proving that slowing down can be just as revolutionary as going viral.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">" It really goes into the principle of Japanese tea ceremony. 'Ichigo ichie' is one chance, one meeting. You always want to be your present self because you never know what tomorrow might bring. Everything at this moment counts," Amy said.</span></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Guests:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Amy Troung, PARU Tea founder</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Lani Gobaleza, PARU Tea co-founder/marketing &amp; partnerships</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Teas sampled during our conversation:</strong></p><ul><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">PARU's matcha is freshly milled in their La Jolla shop from shade-grown tencha leaves.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Hanadoki ("flowering season" in Japanese) is PARU's original blend of cherry blossoms, sencha (sun-grown green tea) and rose petals.</span></li><li><span style="background-color: transparent;">Blue Chamomile, PARU's first signature blend, combines organic chamomile flowers and butterfly pea flower grown in Thailand.</span></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Photos:</strong><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> </span><a href="https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204); background-color: transparent;">A look behind the scenes at PARU’s journey, space and tea culture.</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;">Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://paruteabar.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">PARU Tea</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | La Jolla tea shop specializing in loose-leaf tea and matcha sourced from small farms around the world</span></li><li><a href="https://adcgelato.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">An's Dry Cleaning</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | North Park gelato shop featuring Sandals, a gelato made with PARU's Blue Chamomile tea</span></li><li><a href="https://www.bica-sd.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Bica</a><span style="background-color: transparent;"> | Normal Heights coffee shop serving drinks made with PARU tea</span></li><li><a href="https://hatsuzakurasd.com/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(0, 108, 180); background-color: transparent;">Hatsuzakura</a><span style="color: rgb(38, 45, 38); background-color: transparent;"> | University Heights Japanese café offering PARU loose-leaf teas and milk teas steeped with PARU blends</span></li></ul>]]></content:encoded><link>https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/paru-tea-how-the-viral-matcha-spot-is-transforming-tea-culture-with-love-and-purpose</link><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:image href="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250402102239-paru_cover.png"/><itunes:duration>00:32:01</itunes:duration><podcast:images srcset="https://kpbs-rss.streamguys1.com/kpbs_podcasts/the_finest/20250402102239-paru_cover.png 2000w"/><pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2025 02:00:00 -0700</pubDate></item><item><title>The Finest - Trailer</title><description>San Diego's creative scene is thriving in unexpected ways. 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